Just in the past weeks, I have learned some things that may be of interest or a warning of things to come. As many already know, D. Bruce Larson and Gary Hargrave are currently in Israel conducting a tour with people from CLW and other TLWF churches. I heard that groups of people were told by Gary (and/or Bruce) that Gary Hargrave left TLWF behind as he begins to ascend to his higher calling
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JesusJesusJesus - Mounted exotic trophies and hides? OMFG. I cannot believe it. One more reason I am so happy to be FREE from any embarrassing connection to those horrid people. Changed - Not to worry, I'm not worried about church. I went to see my therapist today, and we talked a lot about how I can prevent myself from investing any more energy in "those horrid people."
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I am no closer to attending a church service than I was the past couple of years. But someone just told me about the prayer services at their church. They pray for the homeless. They pray for the world and global warming. They even pray to protect animals. What a novel concept, eh? I could only ask, "You mean they don't spend endless hours just praying for one person?" (O
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Oh, Typer - Good to hear your stories. Great chicken joke. I remember the exclusivity JRS placed on those School of Prophets booklets. He also liked to make certain "closed services" available to attend by permission only. I think South Gate had a closed Tuesday night service, and the Valley had Wednesday. When I finally got permission to attend those "closed" services,
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Pondering today. Conditioning. Remember how Marilyn used to say that when you came to her to minister to her, then she could see your spirit and tell you what was wrong with you. An abused animal or person will shy away from a raised hand, always expecting another beating. What terrible conditioning to believe that when you approach someone with a gift, their response will be to tell you wh
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Amen Imapurple! If Rick ever uttered the words that he had been molested, he would only do so if it gave him a better position from which to control people and seduce girls. A lot of Rick's (and Marti's) problems stem from the fact that they were raised by a mother who never allowed ANY consequences for wrong behavior -- in her own life and absolutely in her children's lives.
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I agree with you Reep about a deranged mind. I have had the Tower of Babel story in my mind as it was told to me as a child. I never looked at the story through adult eyes until yesterday. The people were doing what seemed best for themselves and not what God wanted. Their building project symbolized the arrogance of humans who try to be equal to, or above, or sufficient without, God. To
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Reepicheep - Thank you for the info on the pre-Blix Marilyn. You have a history that precedes mine even though I know you must be WAY younger than me. The friend that asked me about Marilyn being duplicitous before or during early Blix was glad to read what you wrote Reep. We are still closing gaps in what people knew or know. Imapurple - I am so grateful for your speaking. I know it is
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I received an email from a good friend who asked if Marilyn had always been duplicitous even in the early Blix days. My friend appreciated my ruthlessly honest response so I'm sharing it here. ----------------------- Wow. It really is almost too big to grasp, isn't it? I still have a lot of love for John too. I think that he was both things - a manipulator and womanizer on one
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Reep - Your artwork is much more inventive than mine! Your barfing is spot on. Changed: Did they get money for a car for Gary twice? The time I remember was in about 1993-4 and they asked people to give money directly because it couldn't be a tax write off because it was to buy Gary a car for his birthday. It was a Lexus. It was a $30k car THEN. Maybe that was the check they showed
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Ha Ha, my "art" is even worse with the tabs and spaces removed. Maybe now it represents disgusted, nauseous, and smashed up against the wall. Appropriate.
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> < O XXXXXXX Reep - That's the closest I can come to a disgusted barf face. Changedagain. You have the corporate timeline correct on Hargrave Ministries. Church of His Holy Presence Hargrave Family Ministries - A Living Word Ministry (in about '92 when the churches were changed to be solely operated under Hargrave authority)
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Changedagain and Invisible from 2014: Donna and Gary divorced many years before Hargrave Family Ministries existed. It had been Church of His Holy Presence. But, even though my opinion is that there has been fraud/tax fraud in handling the funds of HFM, I am sure Gary would have been able to prevent Donna from sharing in the church property/properties. I doubt she wanted to anyway. Because
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One of the Blix Girls was logging a phone call (EVERYthing was written down or recorded) between John & Marilyn and a legal guy (I think 1979 just after Martha left JRS) and the talk was of money and planning for the future, life insurance, etc., and about JRS marrying Marilyn. The call was so contrary to what was spoken from the pulpit, this girl moved out in the middle of the night, ne
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On June 4, 1983, when JRS died, he was still involved in two lawsuits. One lawsuit was JRS’ divorce. The real estate had been divided, marital status had been terminated thereafter so he could marry Marilyn and put her name on his share of the real estate, held in community property meaning they each could leave their half to their own family. Marilyn insisted on that before she would agre
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Shalom - I hope you are experiencing the joy and freedom of the explosion you started on facebook a year ago. You are VERY loved.
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4Generation - SO happy to hear from you on this forum. I would really like to see a huge influx of people speaking here who are from your age-group. The importance of your experiences is profound and the stories must be told. Thank you for speaking. Your English is eloquent and lovely. Keep speaking and keep putting out the word that there are generations out there that need to be able t
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Hi Denise - Judah came to live with me when his dad died and what a good kid. I felt more like I was a dad to him than a foster-mom of sorts because he needed the kind of discipline dad's usually instill in their kids. He graduated from college with a double major, bought a house, married Kelly Wirthlin and they have two daughters. I don't have contact with him anymore because (I can
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Yes, HFM has officially amended its corporate name to Hargrave Ministries. Hi Lenai, I just posted a response to your note on the Rumors group. I'm sorry I don't remember you and your sister but I do remember your mom very well. There was a church school in Orange County and then it closed and the students traveled all the way up to the Valley to Centers of Learning in North Hill
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Hi Lenai. There is another group that addresses issues with former members of the Walk. It is under the category of "Former Members...." and then it's under JRS the Walk category. I can be more specific if you can't find it. If you just want to talk about the school - are you referring to Centers of Learning by the Valley church (in North Hills)? If you want to private
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Looking back on the four names I could identify as people who actively participated in covering up Rick's sexual abuses, each of them also committed sexual abuses. So I've been told...
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Rob was a great kid. The Blix House was under remodel while JRS was sick, and Rob spent a good part of his time down at my and Dan's house. He did his morning showers there and often slept there. Rob was madly in love with a German Shorthair Pointer puppy we had. He would spend a lot of time taking care of her. He was excellent with "Scarlett" the sweet dog. It was always won
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Rick Holbrook probably wired everywhere at Shiloh too. We should ask the folks back there to see if it is found during the demo.
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I know of several who covered for Rick: Marilyn, Gary, Scott, Steve - who am I missing? Most of the time (IMHO), attention was given to Rick's four marriages preceded by divorce so that there could be adequate cover for his sexual assaults of women and young girls. G&M would call for help with the congregation in turmoil but would hide the extremes his conduct was taking. His u
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Jesus Jesus Jesus - I'm pissed that I still have those numbers in my memory banks. UGH! is right. Sorry for causing the trigger. I'm surprised anew when something gets triggered. Lately, I've realized I don't know how to respond when someone says something loving to me because I'm so conditioned by hearing stuff and finding out it changes in a flash and was never si
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Hi Darolynn - The Blix House was located at 11122 Blix St., North Hollywood, CA 91602. I was in the church from 1970 until the mid-2000s. I lived at the Blix House 3 times - the first time from 1972 to 1977. Perhaps we met. My real name is Mary Wyatt. Welcome to this forum. A lot of answers are available to any lingering questions you or your parents may have.
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JJJ - I think the sale is happening today but maybe tomorrow to. I heard about it after RoadTD posted from several people who still live in Kalona. I hope you go. You can always call the famous switchboard (319) 656-3156 and ask. Look forward to your report if you go...and if you want to report.
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Road to Damascus - Are you going to attend the sale? It would be interesting to hear a description of those attending. Locals? Former members? No one? I hope people can get a really good deal on necessities.
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No, I have not had a discussion with Imapurple. I don't know who he or she is. I'm not even allowing myself to try to figure it out with respect to his/her concern for the family. I recently spoke to former Shiloh people who not only have a great deal of integrity but also a great deal of information in my ongoing quest to "follow the money." Here are some of the topic
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I heard that the letters POURED in after Gary called for the people to give input for the 360 change. And Puddington is so right, cracked me up that Gary was calling his efforts pretty much a circle starting and stopping at the same point. So many thoughts about that. A circle jerk would be an apt name. Or in a milder tone, one more time around the mountain. I learned a lot of information
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