kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > * * * T R A M P  o f  I S R A E L * * * > > > We may have a POTUS who claims many things, > but we need look no further than our own 'Lamp > of Israel'--better known in some circles as > the TRAMP of ISRAEL. > > When we now survey the vast landscape of > destruction that the
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Lilith wrote: _______________________________________________________ “We often don’t speak up because we don’t want to appear rude, or make the other person uncomfortable, or be seen as someone who causes trouble, or someone who has no ‘sense of humor’ or whatever lame societal excuses we use.” changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- The fear of rej
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I can relate to light777's story. Although I only saw glimpses of behavior that seemed unchristian and not right to me, just reading this account is bringing up years of anger and what I thought was "rebellion" in me. Now I know that it was my gut feeling or instinct screaming to be heard. And all that time I thought it was my carnal mind showing enmity against God. I was battling
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Good links--thanks for sharing. > > "Deference to authorities can occur in a mindless > fashion as a kind of decision-making shortcut. > When reacting to authority in an automatic fashion > there is a tendency to often do so in response to > the mere symbols of authority rather than &
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- I'm assuming that there will be attempts to contact people in this group privately by those associated with the defendants in the cases that have been mentioned. My admonition is to be careful who you trust, and what you choose to reveal. Lilith Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- My
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > G&M just wanted people to write down their sins > and nail them to a cross. > > Didn't someone collect all the sins and offer to > sell them to the highest bidder? Yes. Rick and his buddies. They "joked" about it.
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > C H A N G E D > > RE: Right Spirit > > Calling BS on the same was something > Jesus (Y'shua) did on occasion, especially > when confronting the hypocrisy of the religious > authorities of his day. This did not make him > extremely popular, and was probably viewed as > someone hav
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Discussion group stats: > > Comments: 11,500 > Page Views: 2,060,344 > Right Spirits: 0 Especially in the leadership... ; )
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Lilith wrote: _________________ "...We were victims of incompetent, reckless, cruel and greedy people that were out to wreck our minds, our families, our futures and our health." Yes! Pushing only certain people (whether within or from outside of the group) was a persistent practice. Were they getting kickbacks from the quacks they promoted who were not part of the church? Those
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Lilith Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- That is true. I guess that we are still expected to believe that we were imagining it. I am not a whimsical person, my imagination doesn't actually stretch that far. Repeat after me: COG-NI-TIVE DIS-SO-NANCE Once you see the crazy, you can't unsee it.
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Lilith Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's a new day so that means another new lawsuit > and a brand new church for Hargrave. Now the > former or perhaps current leadership, we have no > way of truly knowing, will being to appear in > other discussion fora or perhaps this very forum > feigning repentance in search of those that remai
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It's really quite telling that Gary Hargrave, formerly "Apostolic Fathering Ministry" of The Living Word Fellowship, now simply of "Hargrave Ministries", is deleting the comments of his former congregants/slaves as quickly as they are posted. He probably isn't doing that himself. He probably has "people"/slave labor for such things. I hope those slave peopl
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Bill Hart was glittery too? He wasn't when he was part of the Valley church. Mahesh sure was, though. Trickery and chicanery.
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > For all the adoration Marilyn wished to > have heaped upon herself, as well as wanting to be > called 'mother', she comported herself more like a > tramp than a 'lamp'. > > JRS, for his part, knew full well what he > was getting himself into by the time they got > married, a
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Thanks, Onion. Blood diamonds...had to look it up. WTF? JRS was quite a piece of work. Silver/gold mines, complete with his very own slave labor (including children), blood diamonds, bars of gold and silver... Then G&M and RH and crew tkicked it up to a whole unearthly level. They all make me sick.
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Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Onion () Date: August 05, 2020 01:22PM In light of the new Gary Hargrave presence on facebook, twitter, and his Promised (threatened) podcast and website - it would be great when you are reposting old posts if you would start reposting some of my old posts. I was a first hand witness to a lot and Gary's n
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > One of his projects: > Yad Eliezer Food Box Program - Feeding the > poor and breaking the cycle of poverty in Israel. > > > This new concern for the poor indicates a > remarkable transformation from the person > Imapurple routinely encountered while in The > Living Word fellowshi
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TheJewel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > walknntalkn Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Look who's got a shiny new website: > > > Whoever had "Zionist podcaster" on your bingo > > card, please collect your winnings! > > > > 9018 Balboa Blvd. is a UPS Store, by the w
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The web site is slickly done...and it presents an > image of himself that that is completely opposite > of what he really is...but those who endured 35+ > years of his fraudulent "ministry" should not be > surprised by this. Fortunately for him, he has > ample financial resources that
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walknntalkn Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Look who's got a shiny new website: > > > Whoever had "Zionist podcaster" on your bingo > card, please collect your winnings! > > 9018 Balboa Blvd. is a UPS Store, by the way. I > wonder who he sends to pick up the checks? Wow! Thanks for posting, walkntalkn. If you c
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens Posted by: changedagain () Date: August 04, 2020 07:21AM kBOY Wrote: > That grin on his face demonstrates just how > remorseful he is for ruining so many lives with > his 'world-wide ministry'. Anyone that has had anything to do with him is not fooled by that contrived smile. They know the cut-throat ope
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 'Sit Down, Shut Up and Listen' > (the opening line of the Sermon of the Mount, if > delivered by Marilyn) The Beatitudes according to Marilyn: 1. Blessed are the girls who keep their spirit in their sneakers for they shall be mushrooms. 2. Blessed are the women with killer spirits for the
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Someone once told me that JRS realized that Marilyn was "worse than Martha" even before he became ill. It seems that on his deathbed he may have wished himself back to a time before he had created a life "full of vain striving and defeated ambition".
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A M A Z I N G p e o p l e > > I live in a community of amazing people, not > because they are extraordinary (while some > certainly are), but because community, as opposed > to organization, allows people to be themselves.  > Relationships are then fluid and dynamic, with no > party lording it
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Changed, Now we can laugh. Back then, not so much. : )
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I was heavily involved in the intercession in the > mid to late 70's, and I recall the idea of him > being the "door-opener" and/or the "apostle to the > Kingdom" being frequently referenced in our > vocalized prayers at church services...with him > present and not contr
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I can't remember the exact time frame that the phrase "door-opener apostle" began to be used, but what I can say is that it was a natural progression from previous teachings. If JRS ever told anyone not to use that terminology, I never heard him say that. If the term didn't originate with him, you can bet that he dropped plenty of hints to let people know what he wanted, as he
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Thanks for sharing, PowerTrip. So glad you are safe. And now to those who won't or can't leave the group formerly known as TLWF. I was just like you for over forty years. Here is a word to the wise: The owners of The Walk/The Living Word Fellowship have been degenerate conmen and women from the start. Yes, I said "owners" because that's what they are. Did you think
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Hi corboy, Nice to hear from you. This subject of demands for forgiveness seems to keep coming up. Frankly, I have trouble taking this kind of religious pomposity at face value. It reminds me of one of the last services I attended in TLWF. The golden boy had transgressed, yet again. Most people knew that something was not right. The apostolic company gathered to address the flock. What words o
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I wonder if Gary Hargrave is telling people that > COVID-19 is a hoax? Either that or he's selling lots of MFC products. Or both.
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