QuoteFireWalker I saw the word "charges" and thought cops finally got smart. Sounds like no police involvement but instead people being brave enough to sue on their own. Right? Welcome back, FireWalker. Yes, that is correct. Because of current statutes of limitations for reporting child sexual abuse, civil suits are the option that is available. So diabolical that people were told no
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Quotemaggieb Hello I just discovered yesterday that my mother was a member of this church way before I was born--for about 10 years starting sometime in the early 70s. I am not able to talk to her about this time and was wondering if anyone on here was a member of the North Hills church (I assume she went to this church because she lived in Burbank) around 73-75. What I do know and what helped me
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The two churches in Hawaii, Grace Chapel Honolulu and Hale O Na Kaula (House of Prophets) in Maui, have taken down their websites. A Palavra Viva in Niteroi, Brasil also not found. La Iglesia de La Palabra Viviente, Monterrey, Mexico ( Piel Roja 244, Azteca CD, Azteca, 67150 Guadalupe, N.L., Mexico) seems to have sold their domain Shiloh in Kalona, IA has not yet received the memo . It's
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Check out the new website for Church of the Living Word, North Hills. Note the donation button at the bottom. Don't all rush to send your tithes now. ;)
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Yes, amen, that's right! It's a new day...no, really! (Oops, sorry. Old conditionings...)
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Another link:
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Good job to all involved. You are awesome!
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NancyB, you brought up many valid questions about mental health and substance abuse in TLWF. A quote: "I Don't mean to lump all metal health and substance abuse into one package...except in the eyes of the cult any problem was some kind of enemy assault - they had no licence to diagnosis and treat - they sure did not have the wisdom to know when to get someone help. There was NO heal
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Quotekbyrne We were indoctrinated every day. Our focus was singular, get JRS into the Kingdom and he would take us with him. Slay the Nephilim through violent intercession. We were either releasing something or binding something. Thanks for your patience forum members. As we put together puzzle pieces on our trauma I believe the good community of Washington who opened their arms deserves some
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QuoteNancyB Reep and I were teenagers in the '60's and aspiring "help meets for a future pastor". We were obedient children who did know things were off but no power at the time. OOPS we have good memories tho'. "Aspiring helpmeets for a future pastor." Lol. I know, right? Little did we know what lay in store for such obedient children. But good memories...ye
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QuoteImapurple So All of this is very interesting. So much history, so much hurt. I’m new to this but have been reading it for years. I was VERY involved in the back side of all this with JRS , G&M , Rick and everything that was going on at Blix, CLW, TLW and Shiloh. I just want to say I have so much love for so many and know a great deal of healing is still needed for so many including mysel
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Great post regarding the questions raised by community members about Shiloh, NancyB. I'm interested to see if anyone who worked for Shiloh, especially in the early days, wants to chime in. My guess is that there was little to no training given. KBoy has shared some of his experiences working at the sawmill. I have experienced attending summer camps there and have gotten ill from dehydration
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QuoteNancyB John was nothing like his father. WJ as i knew him was loving and kind. Anytime there was tragic news to deliver in town and they weren't members of a church WJ went with the police or sheriff to deliver the bad news. WJ opened the doors to anyone even the poorest in town whom other churches did not want. WJ had compassion. He did not put up with his flock being hurt. One
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Quote NancyB wrote: It is increasingly more clear that tlw collected all kind of data on us but not as sophisticated in the early days as is possible with computers. Watch the key words you use - it is easy to do a search engine search for even a not so expert to find out a lot about you and know how to target anyone as a victim. changedagain wrote: Following John's death, I recall Mari
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QuoteNancyB YIKES! the impact of this just hit me - hit me hard on how diabolically deceptive jrs was to sneak in occult garbage to suspecting Christians in Iowa where I grew up in the '50's. OMG! thanks to posting this eye opener - my gut did know this- but I need to see the facts in back and white to move forward - not move on. I, along with all the other survivors needs to get the
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If TLWF Ran the Titanic First of all, likening TLWF to the Titanic seems apropos right now because it is sinking fast. Because of that fact, I got to thinking about what it would have been like to sail on the Titanic with TLWF leaders making all the rules. There would have to be a special dining room for the leaders (hereafter to be known as “Apostoic Fathering Ministry or APCO”), or it lea
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Onion and changedagain, I agree with your conclusions. Hopefully the only thing the leaders in question are actually accomplishing with their elaborate machinations is the rearranging of the deck chairs on the the Titanic.
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The above post was written in response to something posted elsewhere about people who refuse to read the accounts of victims of abuse in TLWF. This silencing and ignoring has been a common theme in TLWF/The Walk history. Victim accounts were denied both by JRS in his time as well as by G&M. Even though the victims were known to be telling the truth, they were shamed and isolated. They were
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QuoteOnion Changedagain: Vicious and driven for the throne. Obsessed with "her children" who she uses to kill innocent people of all ages. Yep. TLWF leaders to a T. RIP. MILIEU CONTROL The most basic feature of the thought reform environment, the psychological current upon which all else depends, is the control of human communication. Through this milieu control the tot
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Quotechangedagain He appeared to me approximately 15 minutes ago just to deliver that message. Trust me :) You weren't in Holy Jim Canyon by any chance when this miraculous appearance occured? If so, I hope that you at least weren't threatened in any way. It's a new day, and I was under the impression that divine appearances would no longer be menacing in nature. ;)
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Quotelarry bobo I believe in most local churches, Marilyn’s name was substituted for God’s in worship songs – while Gary was married to her. Many remember the service where leaders were asked to pledge their allegiance to and spiritually marry Marilyn - quite weird! You can’t have a higher position than to want to be worshiped as God. For Gary to try and distance himself from the hierarchy is lud
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Here is something interesting from CULTS IN OUR MIDST by Margaret Thaler Singer, chapter 12 on Recovery: Learning to Trust Again "Regaining your sense of trust will grow partly out of the gradual awakening of your ability to tolerate thinking about and discussing the abuse and betrayal you experienced. Members' massive anger over injustices and abuses is kept hidden in the cul
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Come to think of it, I'm amazed that nothing was said about the woman in this situation. (You know, the father's wife?) If the man was to be turned over to Satan, maybe it was just assumed that the woman actually WAS Satan. Because, you know, she didn't "turn it off".
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Veering off-subject again--only because I recall > this type of ominous prophesy from the platform so > vividly: > > Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John > Robert Stevens > Posted by: paleface () > Date: February 11, 2016 08:56AM > > I can even recall hearing pastors
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Onion Wrote: > > > Wait a minute... Changedagain did you say you > > might have some leftover prudishness? You were > > prudish? I'm SHOCKED. ;-) > > I think it is just when I heard about Mom's great > sex life :) I remember seeing my parents kiss, and coverin
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Quotepuddington ...and it sounds like Gary is trying to take credit for shutting down the LW. “Laying an axe to the root”. What a crock! The Hindenburg is burning and Shalom lit the match, not Gary. Thank you for pointing this out, puddington. Shalom publicly posted her report and letters on Facebook on 10-25-18. Gary Hargrave's apology letter was posted at on 11-1-18. This was also his
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Quote40yearsin2016 Is it possible that the nightmare is coming to an end? Quotecloudwatcher Maybe in Brazil. There are many encouraging signs in the Brazil document. But I can't help wondering if the majority of Mount Zion survivors are really thrilled about being part of a Christian co-op with many of the same people that were part of their suffering during past years. They may be stu
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This just in: All TLWF ordinations were revoked as of March 2019.
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Quotepuddington And so you “give” your children to those in a kingdom facility where they learn to work hard for zero wages. They learn to devalue a college education. And they learn (as teenagers) how to drink alcohol. And hopefully, that's the worst that happens to them at those "Kingdom Facilities". BTW, whose kingdom was that? :(
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Quotechangedagain BTW, has Gary ever engaged in manual labor while in the fellowship? I heard rumors that shortly after he joined the fellowship he worked for a day on the SD facility doing carpentry work. Or at least walked around wearing a carpenter tool belt. Manual labor? Gary? Not in my memory...well, unless you count violent intercession, "lots of sex with Mom", and hoisting g
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