40yearsin2016 Wrote:
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> Is it possible that the nightmare is coming to an
> end?

Encouraging

40yearsin2016 Wrote:
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> Is it possible that the nightmare is coming to an
> end?


Maybe in Brazil.

Reepicheep wrote:

This just in: All TLWF ordinations were revoked as of March 2019.

puddington Wrote:

Gosh, that will probably make it difficult for
these struggling loyalist groups to keep their
liability insurance in place.

Is it possible to reorganize under a new non-profit organization, and then have some of the same people get ordained? Gary and Bruce (David) should have some cred by being linked to the Jerusalem Center, and if their previous leadership roles in the now defunct TLWF surfaces, they can claim to have dissolved the organization once they became aware of the sexual abuse within the fellowship.

p.s. Happy Mother's Day to the Moms on this forum...and no, I will use this as an occasion to pay tribute to the sweet Momma Lamp in the sky :)

Onion Wrote:

> Leaping to a new subject -- QUESTION: Does anyone
> have any idea what happened to the Van Djik oil
> paintings? I proved they were church property in
> JRS' divorce in 1982 because the churches paid for
> them. I haven't heard a reference to them since.

No idea, Onion.
I'm pretty sure I know who could answer this question, however. I'll leave it at that.

changedagain Wrote:

> p.s. Happy Mother's Day to the Moms on this
> forum...and no, I will use this as an occasion to
> pay tribute to the sweet Momma Lamp in the sky :)

I think Changed meant to write that he would not pay tribute to the Momma Lamp in the sky.

p.s. perhaps it's a residue of prudishness on my part, but I always appreciated the rare occasions when Mom wouldn't brag about her great sex life. Even if you're fantastic at something, it doesn't necessarily mean everyone should know about it (IMO).

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40yearsin2016
Is it possible that the nightmare is coming to an end?

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cloudwatcher
Maybe in Brazil.

There are many encouraging signs in the Brazil document. But I can't help wondering if the majority of Mount Zion survivors are really thrilled about being part of a Christian co-op with many of the same people that were part of their suffering during past years. They may be stuck. My heart goes out to them.

...and it sounds like Gary is trying to take credit for shutting down the LW. “Laying an axe to the root”. What a crock! The Hindenburg is burning and Shalom lit the match, not Gary.

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puddington
...and it sounds like Gary is trying to take credit for shutting down the LW. “Laying an axe to the root”. What a crock! The Hindenburg is burning and Shalom lit the match, not Gary.

Thank you for pointing this out, puddington. Shalom publicly posted her report and letters on Facebook on 10-25-18. Gary Hargrave's apology letter was posted at [www.thelivingword.org] on 11-1-18. This was also his resignation letter. The Brazil report contained quotes from this apology letter, including the one you mentioned. That letter was obviously in response to Shalom's brave and historic post. Let's give credit where credit is due. I suppose that the transition team still deemed it more acceptable to quote Gary than Shalom.

Reepicheep Wrote:
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puddington
> ...and it sounds like Gary is trying to take
> credit for shutting down the LW. “Laying an axe to
> the root”. What a crock! The Hindenburg is burning
> and Shalom lit the match, not Gary.
>

>
> Thank you for pointing this out, puddington.
> Shalom publicly posted her report and letters on
> Facebook on 10-25-18. Gary Hargrave's apology
> letter was posted at
> [www.thelivingword.org] on
> 11-1-18. This was also his resignation letter. The
> Brazil report contained quotes from this apology
> letter, including the one you mentioned. That
> letter was obviously in response to Shalom's brave
> and historic post. Let's give credit where credit
> is due. I suppose that the transition team still
> deemed it more acceptable to quote Gary than
> Shalom.

Very good point, Reep. So nothing changes. Got it.