Well, hi folks. Today my husband received an unsigned letter with no return address in the mail, postmarked HONOLULU, HI Here is what they wrote. Please give me your thoughts, or let me know if this has ever happened to you. "Husband's Name, I keep track of posts on the Rick Ross Forum. Last month your wife began posting and published her name in the profile section. Her name i
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larry bobo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Those who have served on church corporations know > that the Bylaws clearly state that the Apostolic > Fathering Ministries have final say on what > happens to church properties. The rest of the > corporate members do all the leg work, but have no > decision making power as far as asset ownersh
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Here's an interesting take on the time period when churches were being disbanded and sold from . "In the 1990s, many congregants of the smaller churches and home meetings chose to relocate in order to attend the churches originally founded by John Robert Stevens. Since the mid-90s, the fellowship has focused on developing church communities that create an environment for the maturing
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Additions to the list: > > Bakersfield > San Luis Obispo > San Gabriel > La Cresenta > Sacramento > Kauai, HI > > > Note the El Cajon church was in Casa de Oro > (Spring Valley). It was not shut down but left > TLWF. It is now pastored by David Cokas. Thanks, pu
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That list is stunning. I agree, changedagain. Do you remember the name of the Redlands Church and the approximate date it was sold?
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Below is a list of TLWF churches that have been closed and/or sold in the U.S. I think that most or all were closed after John's death. I couldn't remember the names of most. Please post any additions, corrections or additional info that you know. I was surprised at how many there were. All my old This Weeks are long gone. If anyone has some, there should be info on these churches in th
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In spite of what John said, I still consider > deceit, arrogance and greed to more contemptible > human traits than sarcasm. Of course, I'm biased. Ha, changedagain. Good one! ;-)
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Reepicheep. You can bet that us posters on this > forum were blamed for Marilyn’s death. They > probably think we are a coven. Tknc Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Rebellion is as witchcraft after all. Puddington and Tknc, I was tempted to make a joke about this,
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yes, serve as an example. Be the first ones to > 'drink the cup.' > So many of these 'living words' would never see > the light of day if the measuring stick was > stringently applied to the person speaking it, > instead of just dumped on the fellowship. So true, changeda
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larry bobo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Speaking of leadership styles, I’m reading a #1 > New York Times Bestseller entitled “Extreme > Ownership” written by a Navy SEAL about business > leadership....The main point of the book is to > encourage leaders to accept total responsibility > for what happens under their watch. You alone are
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That would, unfortunately, > be the first instinct for many of them should > their church shut down. I have no sympathy for > those that have led them down this dead end path, > and continue to harp about their supposed lack of > dedication. They've suffered enough. They should > do
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I remember hearing a similar word given to the > sheep of a LW church that was being shut down and > sold off. They were being rebuked for having put > roots down in the city the LW church was in. > Never mind that many of the sheep had careers and > established businesses in that location. If t
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Sons Have Nowhere To Lay Their Heads...Uh oh! Here it comes! February 3, 2018 - by Gary Hargrave Still in Brazil, BTW When people told Jesus they wanted to follow Him, His response was, “The foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head” (Luke 9:57-58). In this response, Jesus was showing us something significant about a walk with God.
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > When a church stops giving enough to the central > apostolic ministry, it’s time to close it down, > sell the assets off and move the funds into a > corporation that has ultimate ownership by the > “apostolic fathering ministry” (i.e. Gary) > > Seems like Shiloh probably runs in the red most
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Reepicheep Wrote: > > > Make of it what you will. My take is that the > > people will suffer. > > That's a safe bet given Walk/TLWF history. If > anything doesn't work out it's the people's fault, > sometimes the result of their connecting to > demonic for
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > excerpt from "Together, We Drink This Cup" > > "It is not enough that I alone drink the > cup the Lord is asking of me, but there must be a > people who enter into the same commitment to drink > this cup. It is time for each one of us to take the > responsibility for the Wo
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Here are the sermons that I believe TheycalledmeJonah mentioned. Make of it what you will. My take is that the people will suffer.
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Now for something completely different: > My 23andme results came back, and it roughly > confirms the ancestry.com results: > 56% British & Irish > 24% Ashkenazi Jew > 20% Other > My wife's take on this is that by combining the > British, Irish and Jew you invariably end up with
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NickleandDimed Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Regarding the posts. About Gary and the cup. My > sources tell me. There is something serious going > on. The cup is not a joke. NickleandDimed, do you have any idea what it's about?
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Changedagain Wrote: ---------------------- > BTW, when I made an ill-advised > joke about the obvious special treatment that Rick > received, and it got back to G & M, I paid for it. > A public demotion followed by a couple years of > 'voluntary' labor on various church facilities and > ministry homes. I wish I could say I felt the > love in the discipl
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I recall the drive of G & M to monitor every > aspect of the local church via the requirement > laid out in the 'Fred and Ethyl books'. It seemed > like endless hours were spent in our local church > by a number of dedicated servants, striving to be > completely thorough. Meanwhi
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I always wondered about the dynamics of that > relationship--specifically, who has more > clout--Gary or Rick? Perhaps it depends on the > terrain. That is a good question, changedagain. Especially now with Marilyn gone. If Rick was anybody else's kid, I think he would have been out a long time
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------- > I suspect the people are so accustomed to being > beaten down by his "living word," the idea that > there is a God that is not driven to lay heavy > burdens upon them must seem like heresy (Matt. > 23:4) > BTW, as Gary transitions into spending more and > more time in Brazil, with its ob
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Really. I think Gary believes he a manifestation > of 'The Father' and that people need to work > harder to please him...a never-ending process. > I suggest the following title for his next word: > 'He Can't be Pleased--Give it a Rest!' Do you think Gary has graduated fro
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Our Ambition Is To Please The Father Oh, dear God, you mean those poor people haven't pleased you yet? Posted on January 28, 2018 By Gary Hargrave The drive and force (More hard work) behind the life of Christ was His motivation to live in His relationship with the Father and to love the Father with all of His heart, mind, soul, and strength. Gary: "If only you people could all be
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Off the subject...I was reading some old posts and cow bells were mentioned. I had an unpleasant flashback. Does anyone else remember those gawd-awful Marilyn Farms purple cow tags that they were selling for awhile? And the women wore them as earrings? Blech! Moooo! Changedagain, they not only consigned us to permanent slave labor status, they even turned us into cows!
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Ooops....I meant puddington!
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Cloudwatcher Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > Is this Gary’s new GF? > > > > > > > > > > Yes > > > She looks a little like you-know-who. Isn’t she > from Maui? I thought the same thing about looks,
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Tknc, that really is a revealing part of Nichol's book. I was kind of shocked by that too. Changedagain.......... "wow--downplaying his lofty role in the fellowship to appear more normal, and win the favor of the court. So much for 'apostolic' integrity. Good thing he didn't mention Shiloh being the center of the universe--that probably would not have gone over too we
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Perhaps JRS really believed he was called of God > but along the way as he gained our trust and > control over us, he justified using deception > (absolute power corrupts) in putting forth his > claims and revelations maybe convincing himself he > was the Apostle to the Kingdom. Think about the &g
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