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5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > For an example of how effective this forum can be > in providing healing resources for people AND in > helping to right wrongs, I submit the following: > > Here is an example of an instance when former > members of a religious group posted on the RR > Forum regarding sexual abuse of minors (and &
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5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > CLOUDWATCHER: > > Thanks for the vote of confidence. Happy to > contribute. > > Speaking of nature, how ironic is it that we > inflated our own importance as 'divinely inspired' > humans--who happened to engage in many destructive > behaviors--but then downgraded just about ever
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
Thanks KBoy. Your thoughts are very valuable. I am glad you are expressing them a little more. We need to hear what you have to say.
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5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Changedagain - Thanks for always making me laugh. > > Another really good thing about being out of TLWF > is ANIMALS. Loving all animals is a good thing and > even having pets is a very joyful thing. TLWF was > supportive of having secrets and affairs but not > of having pets. Go figure. Al
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5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Revelation 13:18 > Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding > count the number of the beast: for it is the > number of a man; and his number is Six hundred > threescore and six (666). > > Note: I listed the names of everyone in this > forum who posted on page 666. I'm not r
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
cultfree Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I was speaking with someone about choice > yesterday, and I stumbled on what I feel is > perhaps the most succinct way I can state the core > question that TLWF poses to its members: > > "Are you going to be part of what God is doing on > the earth? Or are you going to do your own thing?&q
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > To you young adults still in the Living Word. > Please be aware that the Living Word is a sinking > ship. There is no future in this religious group. > Get out and get free. While you still can. They will bleed these congregations until each one is dry. The young adults are the only financial future
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
Road to Damascus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Onion and Life OTOS you are both so right. > Becoming free of the feeling that someone is > watching and judging you constantly is a wonderful > experience, even though it is scary in that how do > you know who can you relate to safely. As for me I > had been basically told I was never good
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
Road to Damascus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I do hope that members get told the unvarnished > truth and they rise up to say that Rick and Lorena > do not get paid and that charges are brought and > that all involved in enabling this to go on and > all involved in this type of behavior are exposed > and are held accountable. Sorry for
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5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
NickleandDimed Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I forgot to include link below. In my last post. > Rebecca Moore is well acquainted with Jonestown. > She doesn't believe the tragedy. Resulted from > brainwashing. She gives some alternative ideas. > > > . It's called a mnemonic virus -- similar to brainwashing but much
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5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
NickleandDimed Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The link below. To another critique on thought > reform, mind control, brainwashing. Has some good > nuggets. Even Ronald Enroth is rethinking. In a > letter to the links authors. Enroth says, "You do > not have my permission to represent my 1977 > writing about thought reform and brainwa
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
I just think that hearing that Christianity is the only thing is the same as hearing The Walk is the only thing. Forgiveness is personal--not public like in the walk where it is used to excuse abuses and illegal actions of the powers that be. Some of us haven't had years and years to get over it--and don't have all that many more. So live and let live. I believe that the more stories
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5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Someone suggested a goog book title re the walk" > A Walk With Fraud. I was thinking. The Living Word Fellowship: Tales from the Abyss
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5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As many of you know, one of my talents is writing > spiritually incisive lyrics to worship > songs...with the intent of lifting people up into > a higher realm, so they can (hopefully) better > understand God's purpose for their lives. Anyway, > I just want to share you a song I am present
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
cultfree Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for sharing all that Reveal. I don't know > about anyone else, but it is therapeutic to hear > other people's stories and experiences in TLWF. > Just to know that someone else on earth knows what > it was like gives me the feeling of not being > alone in it. I know other people I ha
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Reveal - Excellent point. I was thinking about > that in the context of the recent findings on the > Catholic Church. The organization is under fire > for their protection of the perpetrators, and > theit complicity in hiding what was done and > allowing the perpetrators to stay in position so >
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thank you Twoteetwo - I like your name. > > I'm not sure what will come from the reporting. I > think the news people were much more interested in > hearing that suspicious activity has continued at > Shiloh in time for them to plan a replay of the > documentary comparing Jonestown and Shilo
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > From my sources: > Gary is frightened and unleashing his fury. > His Kingdom is being threatened...hence, the > tried-and-true tactic of referring to 'Nephilim.' > Everyone, be on the alert. > > p.s. If it appeases him, I might be > willing to raise funds so he can buy a new
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have reported this post by Nickle & Dime to the > moderator. Calling a contributor to this forum a > "nephilim" is, in my opinion, a death threat. Or > at the very least, evidence that whoever this > idiot is, he or she is likely exposing the > children who are members of YASP to doct
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
rrmoderator Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > kBOY: > > The rules of this message specifically state no > preaching of beliefs. > > This thread is for discussion about John Robert > Stevens and Living Word Fellowship, not your > personal views and beliefs. > > Please refrain from such posts in the future per > the rule
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
------------------------------------------------------- > Onion Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ... > > > > Gary wanted to know if the walk ministries > could > > avoid this requirement under the > clergy-penitent > > privilege exercised by the Catholic church to > > protect them from having
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > GoingRogue Wrote: > > > GH: "This Word asks us one question that opens > the > > door to the new day: Are our actions and > methods > > in alignment with our beliefs?... Are we > running > > in vain? Are we missing the mark?... We BEGIN > this > > journey
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
NickleandDimed Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > According to my sources. Gary's saying some of the > couples. Whose family members. Post on the Cult > Institute Message Board. Are asking to be sent to > Brazil. He said KS almost had a nervous breakdown. > When she read what her mom has been posting. Gary > said the Cult Institute attor
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
GSchaeff Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I very much agree with the cash cow analogy. I > think that Gary cycles into periods of intense > submission to keep people insecure and dependent > on his uplifting, yet insidiously destructive > message. > > Listening to my old tapes again, it feels like he > manufactures things for his
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I suspect you’re correct. Gary wouldn’t want to > kill off his cash cow. Those cash cows are in the process of retiring. There are not enough of the Godly seen or their children to sustain things. He will find a way to get rid of all of them when he's done--but without reflecting on himself.
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In this recent message about obedience, Gary > sounds an awful lot like Jim Jones. Which begs > the question, do you think Gary is capable of > enacting a Jonestown style event in the LWF? Yes I do but it will be in isolated incidents. I think anyway. So it won't be blamed on the church but on
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5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The truth about the nefarious ways of TLWF > leadership through the years is surfacing, causing > quite the reaction. Here's an excerpt from the > latest 'living word' emanating from Shiloh. It's > the same twisting of reality, but the > warnings/threats to the people to stay
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
GoingRogue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What a brilliant kid, GSchaeff! Too smart to last > long in a cult, I would imagine. > > BTW, this just in: Oh Shit. I thought this be never really analyzed it as it played over and over. An emotional roller coaster---just evil as far as I am concerned. I hope that kid is A Okay. Smart fellow.
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The fishing lures are set with hidden hooks. The > "true meaning" of the miserable experience is laid > out while there is no time to ask reasonable > questions or consider another way. The > (purportedly) only door of salvation is creaking > open. No time to think. The ability for detailed
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5 years ago
Cloudwatcher
GoingRogue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Oh boy! Repentance, disobedience, judgment and > Kingdom, to name but a few topics covered in the > first SOP message. Plus, the temperature is 99 > with 89% humidity. (With a side of flies and way > too many people.) How would you like to be stuck > in Shiloh right now? > > Makes m
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