Leave it to humans to worm their way into dominion over others by whatever means possible. No one has been able to prove they’re Creator God, demonstrating intimate knowledge of every square inch in our Universe of more than two trillion galaxies. Until that happens, the second best option for those who have an ambition to rule is to claim Divine Right of Governance by scripturally proving they
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changedagain wrote: “I think God will appear in his awe-inspiring form and simply ask the congregation why they are following this guy Gary. Then he will leave.” ---------------- Someone in the congregation will stand up and answer, “The First Principles lesson on Submission makes it a divine requirement to follow those appointed over us in the Lord ---- we must follow Gary.” God will pr
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changedagain wrote: “People are resisting the god Gary projects--the intolerant father in the sky that no one can please...nor should they try. No more accepting false guilt!” -------------------------- There’s an eternity of groveling in store for those who subscribe to the god Gary projects. In distinction, those who subscribe to the Prodigal Parable Father affirmed by Jesus take their s
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Concerning the Prodigal Parable party loving, freedom loving, individual expression loving and Creator of “Self-governing Creations” ------ The True Nature of the Father: ------------------------------ Found this on Wikipedia: [] Pretty good reasoning to change some ratios: What’s the ratio? A million submission/rebellion/cross/give up control sermons to please an exacting God for
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Previously: “Phobias of harm” ----------------------------- Such as being eaten by worms to the point of things falling off, and just before experiencing incoherence, getting finished off by a lightning strike planned for the point of impact after falling for what seems an eternity into a vaporizing lava pool way down in a crack opened in the earth by God Himself. I was expecting somethi
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On page 17 of “Experiment in End Time Apostasy: The Walk of John Robert Stevens -- The History, Beliefs, and Spiritual Dynamics of a Christian Cult by Woodrow Nichols,” there is the following quote from JRS himself: “But we did enjoy this and during that, that chicken house was converted into a small sanctuary for the Lord to meet my heart. We sought the Lord and He began to speak to me concer
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Cloudwatcher. Over 50 years. Wow.
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kBOY wrote: “It was the more powerful who won out, not the most SPIRITUAL.” ---------------------- Now that’s a strong statement of insight especially befitting this current earthy dimension of momentary insanity. Hey, welcome to The Church of the Living Word where the powerful always prevail over the spiritual; a guaranteed insane experience!!
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kBOY wrote: “It corrects entirely our understanding of GOD, not as some sadistic deity who created fallible creatures knowing they would fail, and then send them to do penance in an insane world. Instead, it paints a picture of GOD who honors the choices of FREE WILL sons, however misguided, but does NOT hold them accountable for 'momentary insanity', but instead CELEBRATES their return
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Twoteetwo wrote: “Don't know what that means other than you can take people out of the Walk, but it sure is hard to get the Walk out of people.” ------------------------ I’ve often dreamed or speculated about what the effect on me would be if the Father, Son and Holy Spirit all appeared at once (Similar to what Joseph Smith claimed). Would the power of the very presence of the Godhea
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Welcome Twoteetwo: The “But I’m Not the Only One” list increases again. Always a positive.
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lily rose. I think I was robbed of the true message, at least diverted from it. Perhaps one of the biggest culprits was the “First Principles” where salvation, LOVE and acceptance are merely a footnote among the fifty lessons. Through massive diversion the important message is subverted and moved to the background in favor of a puffed up Biblical Knowledge whereby the people as a special chose
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changedagain wrote: “Well, I just finished reading the New Testament again...and my main takeaway remains this: Obedience is not optional.” ----------------------- Sadly, you’re probably correct. The overall theme seems to be obedience. It’s pretty hard to live a normal life of freedom according to your own dictates when you're subjugated to a ‘book of rules’ written by God Himself
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changedagain wrote: “Resist--get your life back, people!” ---------------------- That’s right. There’s more anointing out here in the land of the free!!
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It all comes together so perfectly and seemingly by accident and your wit. Thanks lily rose ------- makes my day.
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I remember a special counseling meeting where my wife and I had to appear before the two governing shepherds and their wives in Salt Lake City. The meeting was held in the evening in one of the shepherd’s home basement. We were informed in no uncertain terms that we had no rights at all except that of a higher confirmation. After much heated conflict because of our obvious “rebellion” and unwi
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kBOY wrote: LOVE seeks to conquer nothing. It merely TRANSCENDS. ---------------------- True. Feeding your love with the right spiritual diet (Not found in dominion orientated churches) has to be deemed prudent. Closet spirituality and the place of peace/non-duality between thoughts has been recommended by some of the ancients, i.e. Jesus, rishis, sages. The Prodigal Parable provides a
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The anti-Christs want a single, undemocratic, top down dictatorial kingdom of rank and chain of command incorporating trickle down attitudes/policies from A to Z. The anti-Christs preach a lie; the lie of hierarchy and spiritual stratification. The anti-Christs/false teachers need to eliminate the Gospel of John from their Bibles since it supports the contrary concept that any “whosoever” can
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Thanks kBOY. I confirm your spot on explanation. Being a part of an exclusive, restrictive, people destroying ideology/program is not my cup of tea. I’m glad I got out. Keep it coming!!
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If Jesus (God) was able to forgive/accept those who murdered/crucified him (major transgression/sin in every sense of the word) then why does TLWF preach that the same God, in a complete reversal, judges people as unacceptable for every little manifested spot or wrinkle (minor blemishes)?? It has to be truly classified as illogical and totally incommensurate.
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Oh no. We’re actually missing out? For some unknown reason the feeling of being alarmed escapes me!
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Thanks lily rose, especially for pointing out that there could be a difference between JRS’ interpretation and what God actually has in mind. Now here is my rant: JRS can go ahead and pledge allegiance to his loser concept of a non-democratic, virtual caste system type of Kingdom/Heaven. JRS’ concept is no different than Joseph Smith’s top down concepts. It’s always the same, leaders alwa
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The class system; the caste system; social stratification: -------------- People created it. People maintain it. Jerks apply it. Thank God the Spirit does not endorse it at all, otherwise underlings wouldn’t have much of a comfort zone in this world.
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lily rose wrote: “The spiritual pride and narcissism that possesses the cult leader who believes he/she as a Son of God has moved into Christ's place convinces them they have been given free reign over the lives of the members; nothing could be more false, divisive, and dangerous to your spiritual growth. That's the wisdom God has given me about it.” ----------- Good wisdom, inde
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larry bobo wrote: “He was honestly pissed and made sure I knew that he and Marilyn were great and that I was nobody.” ----------- Neither Bowman Littleton nor Harold Bailey ever made me feel that way. Bowman and Harold are at the top of my list for people I was fortunate enough to know personally. They had a depth that was astonishing. The two Larry Bobo mentions above are now on my wis
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Today 07-10-2016 Microsoft Edge in Windows 10 on my computer is warning me that the Cult Education Forum is an unsafe website containing threats to my computer that might reveal personal or financial information. Maybe if they go back far enough, LW will discover that their partner ‘Western Ore Reduction Company’ stills owes me $6000.00 for the God endorsed investment in the silver mine.
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changedagain --- shush, the bottom line is always the money. Now that you have exposed a way around paying for it, there will have to be further divine words about how the money facilitates a much truer and deeper impartation from the laying on of hands. As every good cult leader knows, everything hinges on the sacrifices of the membership.
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It’s true. My wife and I serve our two dogs. Food, water, shelter and even anti-anxiety/stress pills for the fireworks season. They won’t submit unless they’re rewarded, that is their unalterable bottom line.
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Previously: “Gary has earned the right to rule and reign with Christ.” -------------- Whoa. The ambition to rule and reign over others whether with Christ or not is in itself undesirable for many. If heaven is infinitely big, then my prayer is to be in a part of heaven that is mutually exclusive from whatever part G-man and other wannabe bullies are in.
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Previously: Hargrave Family Ministries: The single point of entry for God and perfection in the otherwise imperfect universe!! If Hargrave Family Ministries could only edit out the “whosoever’s” from the Bible.
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