Slandjt. I attended a couple of services in that metal barn. What a strange reunion indeed if it was made up of former Coniah members who still subscribe to LW teachings (a LWFB splinter group) rather than having a reunion for the sake of ordinary fun and friendship bonds made forty-plus years ago. If it is a group of LW sympathizers (which it seems) who still want to play the church game then
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howmidoing: I can’t do it. There are two shepherds (+wives) that I don’t ever want to communicate with or ever see again. My consolation is that heaven is infinitely large and I will be able to live happily apart from them forever. I will not make the first move------there is something deep inside indicating that it would be spiritual suicide as well as a can of worms not worth the time. T
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light777 wrote in part: “When I have talked to family / friends about the control the church had on us, it was beyond perplexing for them to grasp and understand. The main reaction I get is, "but you were an adult, why did you allow it?" And of course, my answer, because I truly thought at the time that if I left, I would lose everything that I had come to know and mostly believed... i
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changedagain wrote: “Pretend to be open to the Catholic church in order to steal their youth for your own agenda. An ingenious way to replenish the stock. Again--no one should underestimate a wolf's craftiness.” ------------- Exactly. They’re already used to a ‘one-person’ Pope leading the church. Now all that’s left is for g-wolf to slowly move in and conquer their spirits. The B
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changedagain wrote: “And others will try to fend off the thought that she ever lives to condemn them.” ------------- On breaking free: And there are others who are reaching the place where they couldn’t care less about these busy bodies, whether it be Marilyn, JRS, Joseph Smith, or the Great Cosmic Inquisitor. They can go and mind their own freaking business like the rest of us. Top
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larry bobo wrote in part: “In contrast, the report by Silas seemed to highlight the fact that they were VIPs – rather than servants with “simple and humble hearts”. Perhaps a relationship with the Cardinal will help open their eyes to what it really means to be a Christ follower and in turn they can truly be an instrument of oneness.” ------------ Thank you for saying the above. I hope
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NickelandDimed wrote in part: “I am here due to the death of those who were supports.” and “Having contact with people who had the same experience has a benefit.” ---------- It’s 280392+ views beneficial. The following is sometimes a good “default quote” when there isn’t much to say: Thomas Carlyle --- “Under all speech that is good for anything, there lies a silence that is
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puddington wrote: “Glad you found freedom. Ain't it great?” -------- It’s great ---- no dictators!!!
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I’ve got it. Thank you. The geo-coding (URI) for the concrete remnants are: 36.914555, -114.661556. Typing in these coordinates in the Google Satellite Search Box puts the ‘red balloon’ right on the concrete remnants. Have to concur ---- doesn’t look like a million dollars was invested.
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Tmason --- Google Maps (Satellite Only) seems to use geo-coding (URI) ???? coordinates. (This forum site won’t accept strange symbols for degrees, minutes & seconds so I’ve used some dots between the numeric values for longitude and latitude) Okay. Googling “Carp, Nevada” (normal, not maps or satellite) click on the Wikipedia Site. The map of Nevada on the right side has sever
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Tmason: “The Kingdom Mine was in fact located in the desert NE of Las Vegas in the Meadow Valley Wash. Between Carp and Elgin along the west side of the Union Pacific line you can still see evidence of the settlement.” --------------- There are many miles between Carp & Elgin along the Meadow Valley Wash. I Googled (satellite) the area specifically checking out the west side of the
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Tmason (Todd): Great post --- " Living well is the best revenge so in that I sincerely hope that all of you are exceeding your wildest dreams. The destruction of the spirit and soul (by Satan dressed as TLW) is a slow deliberate process and therefore the recovery must also be slow and deliberate in regenerating your god given talents and joyful, serving spirit." Makes my day!! T
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Good to hear from you Invisible. “Another thing I came to conclude for myself, is each person's relationship with God is sacred.” Your concluding statement would fit nicely somewhere in Ecclesiastes. And each New Testament book would do well to end with it also!
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SouthGate wrote: “She said her dad and Brother Wilson said they didn't have witness on the mine and didn't think it was good idea. Brought it up in the elders and deacons meeting but nobody wanted to listen including John.” ------------- Wow, how lenient and lax. In Salt Lake City, cautionary voicing was taboo. It was understood by the submissive that God was endorsing the lead
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Thank you Tmason. In a heartfelt way, your post about life in the hot desert at the mine with the sand blowing gives the ‘donation’ some legitimacy for me. My uncle ran a sand & gravel pit in similar circumstances. I remember as a child being amazed at small pebbles being sun scorched (burnt) on one side. Old wood shacks, well water, old D7 crawlers, drifting sand, goats, sage brush, a br
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I think it’s accurate. I gave $6000.00 to John Hostetter and someone he was traveling with ( ? Paul Holder) when they visited the Salt Lake City church. I was 23 at the time and had saved nearly all my earnings from active duty during my exciting time in Vietnam. I don’t remember getting an official receipt or legitimate stock certificate, but there was some sort of a ‘thank you’ with a Wester
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Thank you changedagain. That is a good verse to remember. Maybe we should make the words “submission, rule, obey, authority” slaves to this verse. {{We refuse to acknowledge or in any way acquiesce to the demands of “submission, rule, obey, authority” unless they operate in a very restricted scope under the auspices of 1 Peter 5:2-3.}} Better still; maybe we should throw it all out and
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lily rose. Thank you. I especially liked the following: King James and the Cult of the Bishops ----- As one peruses the King James’ rendering of these Scriptures in Hebrews, it appears, at least it seems this way to this author, to be a deliberate attempt by those who were in power (King James [16031625] and his bishops) to strengthen their hold on usurped authority, an authority traced all
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Can anyone on this forum give chapter and verse to debunk the above “irrational thinking?” I think time, history and personal stories on this forum prove that it’s BS, I still think more is needed. It would be prudent to have a scripture or two to use when an inspired newbie (child or grandchild) wants to jump off the cliff.
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SouthGate wrote in part: “Time over the years, and staying away has helped. I still pray for everyone in and out.” ------------------ There’s something about 'time and staying away' that helps people separate out their own spirituality independent from organized religion/church/human interference.
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> And the division that arose (between brethren) > was based on the premise of men thinking of the > ministry as being a hierarchy of authority. ------------------ In the Salt Lake City Church, it was two shepherds versus everybody else. The over-lording shepherds won. The church was sold and the shepherds moved out of Utah to go and oppress others who would tolerate it. The r
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Lettruthcome wrote: “yeah the whole message changed in the church after Gary imparted oneness, went from Love to submitting to authority so we can all be one.” --------------- TLW stone tablet reads, “Submit to Authority.” TLW bible reads, “Submit to Authority.” TLW heart, “Submit to Authority.” TLW message and publications, “Submit to Authority.”
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My suggestion is to be extremely careful. These polished ‘god usurpers’ excel at subtly swaying a believer’s allegiance away from the Holy Spirit and replacing it with a totalitarian allegiance to themselves. These self-proclaimed leaders come from a perverted persuasion that ignorantly refuses to recognize that other believers can be left to the care of the Holy Spirit (Acts 20:32). Their act
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larry bobo wrote: [] ---------------- You’re not alone. I have also pictured in my mind the horror of corrupt religious leaders demanding authoritatively, “God wants you to turn over your wife, money and possessions to the kingdom/cult leader.” Talk about a bunch of crap nightmare.
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puddington and kBOY: Your last posts just made my day!!
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changedagain wrote in part: “You simply cannot be a ministry in good standing within TLWF unless you consistently demonstrate your allegiance to those "above" you. What a miserable grind!” ------------- A miserable grind for everyone in a top down structure. Thank God Jesus has the integrity to use the term "friends" (John 15:15), validating a much better way to relate. Any
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My “do over” would be to honor my own opinion, capabilities and revelation. Instead of kowtowing to self-proclaimed spiritual authorities and feeling obligated to respect and regard “their” thinking as superior, I would give my own Spirit to spirit revelation the priority. That would have nipped in the bud the crippling need to have a covering of permission from others. Just thinking about it
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changedagain ---------- With credentials of that magnitude, you are due submission from the fellowship. What is your bidding?
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Well said, 40yearsin2016. Thank You!
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"We are living in the complete reality of His presence in His Kingdom." ----------------------- Great. Now that the mission is complete, it’s retirement time. No more tithing, submission or attendance. See ya!
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