QuoteHopeNope, Cosmo. Much of what the therapist tried to do wasn't accurate - far from it, and since the doctor did such a great job at deceiving me (and his med school, colleagues and state professional association) , the issue of how deep the deception went was not addressed, overlooked by focusing on codependency issues. I've beaten that dead horse enough. One visit with the LSW
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

QuoteThe ShadowI just heard on the radio that a man from another country (not Canada or the US) is a University Trained chemical scientist (from an acredited university) yet he cannot get any other job here other than taxi driver, security guard, janitor, etc. ISN'T IT AMAZING -- an ex-used car salesman, a hairdress, a clerk, can walk accross the border and do psychotherapy on people, all W
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

QuotekarenbI would assume they would like to get into the public schools, into court-mandated drug and alcohol programs, and into the prisons, here and outside the US. The problems with this plan: 1. Scientology, cultish forms of AA, and everyone else wants to do the same thing 2. The less control they have over the exercise of the technology, the less effective it will be. There is no
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

QuoteZorroQuoteVic-LucDiscussion of a plan of action is the most important part. I ain't going out half-cocked, sawed-off like Forum participants. The key is to not be as asinine as LGATs are. Vic-Luc, Exactly, I agree totally. Half-cocked would not be good. It would not be effective and it might backfire. It must be well coordinated and professionally presented. Possibly like a well or
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

QuoteajinajanQuoteMartinHgreat idea. But, I think, we have to do it, otherwise it won't happen. Many people leave Landmark, move on with their lives and don't want to deal with it anymore I agree. More people have to be proactive. Discussion on this board is great, don't get me wrong, but more needs to be done. Discussion of a plan of action is the most important part. I
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

QuoteThe ShadowQuote"Vic-Luc But yeah, in the ILP program, they do mirror exercises. You look in the mirror and laugh hysterically and practise hysterical happiness. hysterically it is usually a sign of nervousness or a form of stress release. That is not the kind of laughter I am encouraging.... regards, 'shad' Laughter in dealing with stress is, a lot of times,
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

QuoteON2 LFQuotecorboy The problem is, our whole culture devalues sleep. A real human potential project would ensure that every darned one of us got 8 hours at least of quality snooze each night, every night. Most of us have little idea how much better we would feel if that were the case. Sleep as a human right. A Human Potential Project called 8 Hours a Night I like it. S
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

QuotemauriceQuotebigdogWhile reading all the info here on Landmark, I find myself wondering about their ultimate purpose. Can anyone tell me what it is? Yes, I know they are after money. But sooner or later, their rank and file have to become financially depleted. And new recruits have to eventually become harder and harder to find. Then what? Political power? World domination? I can&
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

I will have my private practice in 2 years and I will specialise in this.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

QuoteZorroWhat do you all think about Landmarks "Landmark 2020" goal of having everyone on the planet "Transformed" by the year 2020? About as successful as the Hunger Project, which ended world hunger as we know it in 1994.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

QuoteThe ShadowIFLP ???? - i don't know what that is!!! :?: Vic-Luc, don't fret...the comic release is something I just came up with right now...no biggie...do it, don't do it...no pressure... :lol: I just felt like laughing, and encouraging others to laugh too...there is scientific proof to show that laughing promotes good health and reduces stress (er, not really rocket s
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

QuoteThe Shadowok, everyone, time for a little comic release...so go to your bathroom, look in the mirrow, put a smile on your face :) --- take a deep breath, and go HAH HAH HAH HAH, ... :lol: :lol: :lol: -- no if that does not make you burst out laughing, at the very least you will emit a little chuckle.... okay? regards, 'shad' :D Uh oh...sounds like an IFLP mirror exerci
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

I do remember my ex calling from the Forum stating "this place is freezing," at one point, do to the extreme temperatures. She was sleep deprived at every LE course she attended or "assisted."
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

I do remember my ex calling from the Forum stating "this place is freezing," at one point, do to the extreme temperatures. She was sleep deprived at every LE course she attended or "assisted."
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families

QuotebigdogVic, if it makes you feel any better: I heard about Abraham-Hicks from a friend. It piqued my interest so I checked it out (like I do many things). I even posted a few times on one of their boards. Know what? They all got mad at me. Know why? I asked tough questions. I'm just a curious person who will not accept anything without understanding. I'm not trying
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes

QuoteZorroAre there any locally based support groups out there for people that have left or thinking of leaving a LGAT but don't know where to go for help? Something like the ones for people who leave abusive relationships or other bad situations. I've found links on this and other sites as to where to go for professional help in some states. But I haven't seen anything like what I
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

QuoteZorroVic-Luc, Exactly! I have a career in Industrial Sales where I not only have to convince people and corporations to buy my products and services I have to provide help to the customer whenever I'm called on. I'm disgusted at the thought that I was even associated with Landmark. I feel that it has actually jepordized my career and I'm currently doing damage control be
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

QuotesanebikerQuoterichardmgreenQuotesanebiker Wanna put me on TV? It won't be that good for ratings since I'm such an advocate for free thinking and personal responcibilty. Actually, you're the type of person that a lot of people would like to see. Someone once said, "If I only reach one intelligent person..." Thats the tack I take on this board. And there'
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups

QuoteZorroShad, Landmark really wanted me to be a leader and some even told me that they could see me leading a Forum (which gave me chills even then). I wasn't afraid to take on leadership resposibilities and have the outward characteristics and personality that would make a good leader for the Forum or a Seminar. My ex told me she thought I would make a great Forum leader a few months a
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

QuotebigdogQuestioning things that you know are incorrect is precisely the opposite of playing dumb. Many years ago, I was heavily recruited by a MLM. I didn't like it and walked away, but I know very well what they are and how they operate. The Abraham-Hicks stuff may be pure horse manure, but it is not an MLM organization. Why are you so paranoid about people who question YOUR &a
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes

QuotepauliztarzaI really don't remember how we ended up talking this. I just saw the comment moderator left with www.godhatesfags.com and my understanding is that the policy here is to talk about groups in terms of them being controversial cult. But if I quote Holy Scripture of ANY denomination, am I breaking the rules ? I mean, we discussed Bhagavad Gita in this topic. See it for your
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

The CoS is out actively recruiting in subways and on streets in NYC and some of the other major areas. People have noticed this as being very out-of-the ordinary. I can only offer conjecture and maybe someone else has some things they've seen. The surge in LE recruitment has reached peak levels. Given that LE appropriated a lot of the CoS's technology without permission, and th
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

QuoteatravelVic luc how old are you? You come across as extremely childish and looking for 'attention'. Your posts are emotional and they lack grounding and hard factual data. You come across as an angry immature individual. This is NOT a place for this kind of behavior. Some people come here looking for guidance who have been deeply troubled by these seminars and/or cults. They don
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

QuoteZorroI over generalized a bit. I don't want to go and get help from someone that is going to turn around and use Landmark or some other BS on me again. Also I now check to see who is connected to whom and what when I look at material that I may consider useful in helping me in my life. Naievety, lack of research, and going on a friends word with out properly checking things out
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

QuoteZorroI now question any every person out there that is in the biz of helping people. It's disgusting to think that it seems that all of these people are some how linked up in one way or another. No...some of us are licensed with state and national regulatory authorities. We went to accredited universites, got graduate degrees, and earned our way there through experience and clinical s
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

QuotesanebikerNo, I've never been affected by J.Z. Knight , but Suge Knight...now thats a different story!!! *laughs* Dangled over a balcony back in the day?
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families

QuotesanebikerI've read a few posts concerning the power the "cults" and "therapists" have over people is destructive. I have one question. The reason people are weak and mindless and cannot think forthemselves is:______? You really want a non-biased answer to that?
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups

QuoteZorroQuoteON2 LFAlso, your posting here prompts me to want to be more patient with the friend I lost to landmark. I know she doesn't have anyone left if she leaves landmark (not that she has any friends there). Thanks for choosing to post here, and like sonnie-dee, you present a good case as to why lekkie's 'outside' friends should not walk away from them forever. ON2 L
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

QuotebigdogCan someone please explain to me why Abraham-Hicks is classified as MLM? Although the Hicks sell their books, seminars, etc., just as any other self-help guru(s), there is no system of marketing groups who recruit others to sell the products. Other than the fact that Mr. Hicks was once associated with Shaklee, what is the basis of the claim that they are an MLM? You can take it
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes

QuoteVic-LucQuotejoe6> While you are here pursuing your purely intellectual interests among people whose lives have been ruined by LGATs, you might want to try to form a definition of "apologist". Oh Snap! He's right, though, Joe. I was an apologist for a while without even participating. I thought I was being supportive, but I was making excuses for LE. It cause
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"