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11 years ago
Jupiter
Ignoring the conspiracy theorists for a while, thanks to Keir, Elias and River Song for your comments. You know, I LOVED Subud before everything happened. It was two years ago now, I'm not as angry and hurt any more. Before those things happened to me, I hadn't had any bad experiences in Subud either. Until my entire group turned on me, I would sit and have tea with them twice a wee
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
11 years ago
Jupiter
I left the cult I was born in a little over two years ago, and went through a terrible time afterwards. This year, since March at least, has been pretty good. What I've had is as close to recovery, is as close to a normal life, than anything else I've ever known. Trouble is, there's something really painful about normalcy and I've been thinking about this board a bit lately.
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12 years ago
Jupiter
I think I know what your friend means about making up rules for living. Even if you can't live by someone else's rules, I think we each have a tendency to create our own - a rigorous system which is both flexible and unbreakable. Without having our own rules for ethics, morality etc., we can end up as messed up as, well, the people that surround us in Subud or any other cult and faith s
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12 years ago
Jupiter
*Bashes head against the wall* Bronte, I didn't say you were speaking bullshit. I said you were perpetuating it. You still really have no idea of my own particular views, faiths, beliefs, interests... nobody does. Because if it's not "Subud," it must be somehow wrong. You're not saying anything different to all the helpers I've grown up with. The only differen
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
12 years ago
Jupiter
I suppose you simply don't understand what I'm saying. In leaving my cult, like all the other cult survivors, I struggle with adjusting to life on the outside of the cult. I am used to making my decisions in accordance with a general cult consensus on what life should be life. Surrender to God. Don't eat too much. Don't sleep too much. Don't get involved with anything
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12 years ago
Jupiter
TO THE MODERATORS:: Please can the last post I made be deleted along with this one. Thanks. Jupiter.
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
12 years ago
Jupiter
Out of curiousity, how can you know about Tarot if you've never had a reading? Because you're a Christian and you have an inherent belief that it is demonic and wrong. That is precisely my point. You don't know it, so you don't trust it. Same as most Subud members. Here's a scientific experiment for you: my mum is highly suspicious about my own spiritual beliefs and alway
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
12 years ago
Jupiter
I'm surprised it's taken me so long to read this. As usual, I can relate to almost every word written... FF I often get that feeling of surreality, too. Like my life has taken so many stages. My parents were always a part of the "entourage" Corboy has described, even if it weren't maliciously abusive it was still such a total mind-f*** that obviously really instilled
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12 years ago
Jupiter
Toni, Your friend makes some brilliant points. Whilst I did agree quite a lot with the ICSA analysis of second generation adults,I also think that this essay makes a hell of a lot of sense, and really resonates with me. I know exactly what it means to feel so sorry for a parent, for being a victim and being drawn into a cult because it was a place of safety, that you just want to care for the
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
12 years ago
Jupiter
yeah, well, all "world sacred symbols" can also be found in the metaeder. just like every scientific constant can be divided into an elemental counterpart. or every deity ever dreamed up can be woven in to the tarot. and how the great pyramids of giza are sewn into the kabbalistic tree of life. it's these kinds of bizarre "revelations" that keep people trapped in cults an
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
12 years ago
Jupiter
Pacifica, I'd like to thank you for the objectivity of your reply. I have come to all the same conclusions as you've expressed here - that both my parents were essentially wounded children, that they (and their friends, helpers, enterprise partners) were just simply incapable of seeing their children growing up, having wounds of their own, and so forth. Even now my mum still half be
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
12 years ago
Jupiter
FF, I too have days where it just crushes me. I still have my mum phoning me up and begging for me to come back, I still have people trying to control me sometimes and sometimes it just feels like everything is over. I too have had a not too brilliant day with it. I've had dreams like the ones you've described too - normally I just have nightmares but lately I've had some posit
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
12 years ago
Jupiter
Becker and Freedom Fighter, I just wanted to reach out to both of you so much. I miss my sister also, I miss my mum and dad and my cousins and my friends. My mum works for her cult, she works full time, often up to 16 hours a day in the busiest times, throughout the whole year, and gets paid in a year what my husband makes in a month. But they are a registered "charity," and she is a &q
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12 years ago
Jupiter
Bronte, You're really struggling with this one, aren't you? The way I hear it, you desperately want someone to validate the pain you're in with Subud, but you don't want to undermine the experiences you've had which truly do come from God. I think that everyone who joined or truly believed in ANY kind of teaching did so because we were truly, truly, truly looking
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
12 years ago
Jupiter
Bronte, I agree with what you're saying, I really do. I just don't understand where you're coming from. I've heard this - the words you write - from people in Subud everywhere I've been. You've been an isolated member for nine years, you've had trouble with the administration, you've seen and witnessed so-called "helpers" commit atrocities whi
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
12 years ago
Jupiter
"Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem" I believe that Subud IS just like all the other groups out there. I do not believe that anybody is born evil. I do not believe that evil is an entity, nor that goodness is an entity, nor that there are forces of lesser and greater spirituality which seek to deceive or confuse us. I believe that Bapak was prey to the same processes a
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12 years ago
Jupiter
"I wish I could make some kindly, helpful, comment to Jupiter, which would enable a calm and positive outlook to develop, so only a constructive future would arise for him/her." This is for me, the crux of the matter. You obviously haven't read my posts carefully enough. I'm married, I have a mortgage, I've completed a Masters degree, I have a Ph.D lined up,
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12 years ago
Jupiter
Do you really expect me to reply to that?
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12 years ago
Jupiter
I've written most of this before, but I was born in Subud, an eastern religion based on Sufism whose early membership came from Bennett and Gurdjieff. I'm 3rd generation, and my parents met through the group - my mum claimed to have a vision of a man standing in her room and laughing at her. She described it to a friend who said it sounded like my father. They were married ten days late
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
12 years ago
Jupiter
It was nice to read all the posts in this thread. It's now been a little under a year since I decided to leave the cult I was raised in, and about 9 months since I managed to break away for good. The first few months were absolute hell but I recovered; some residues still remain. Some of the replies on this thread have been so reassuring and beneficial for me to read. I've written enoug
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
12 years ago
Jupiter
I love the Artists Way, I think it is an incredible book. I like the way it encourages you to be more intuitive and fluid in work and life. I first read a copy about five years ago and since then it has always remained on the bookshelf closest to my favourite armchair :) The thing I'm struggling with so much right now is all the apparent holes in my life, all the experiences I feel like
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
12 years ago
Jupiter
Thanks Starry. Umm, I feel a lot better today. I had a hard phone conversation with my mum last night where she told me some things that had happened in my early childhood with other cult members that I'd never known about. That was pretty hard to take in, but I've got my husband who thinks they're all absolutely crazy, which helps. I had to get up early this morning with panic att
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
12 years ago
Jupiter
Actually just looking back over this whole thread I can see how far I've come - it's hard sometimes when you just want to curl up under a blanket and disappear. Sometimes I feel like leaving Subud was like swimming away from an isolated island - I managed to get through the deepest water without drowning and onto dry land. Unfortunately the "dry" land is tidal mudflats
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
12 years ago
Jupiter
I just wanted to thank destinyawaits and Lady Pleiades for both of your replies. I'm having a really hard time right now, I guess my self esteem isn't up to much and yesterday I had to go to one of their old cult properties to sort out an ongoing issue. I had been doing really well but going back was very triggering and I still feel shaky, in my shoulders and legs. I thought I'd se
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
12 years ago
Jupiter
55. Subud
Sorry, I really do just have to reply to this. Please remember that Sonoma, as a place, is not representative of the rest of the world, and things which happen in the groups there may be isolated incidents and specific groups (i.e., geographic groups in, say, Subud) may have a certain amount of freedom to choose their own materials and read what they want. It's only when they take those
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
12 years ago
Jupiter
Thank you both for the advice & resources. Yasmin yes I feel that my life is getting together, but at the same time I want to keep Subud behind me and it's hard, because every day I find out something more disturbing and weird about the whole culture. I feel powerless on so many levels, paranoid on so many levels - invisible, worthless, invalidated, and ugly. I am in CBT and I know t
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
12 years ago
Jupiter
I will, I promise... but it will take me time. Jupiter.
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
12 years ago
Jupiter
58. Subud
Corboy: somehow the replies I made never showed up, though I think I deleted them by accident instead of posting. I could relate hugely to everything you wrote and will check out those books. I'm trying to limit my reading a little right now because I get so emotional so easily. The only book I'm aiming to read is Sagan's Demon Haunted World, but want to read more about the things
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
12 years ago
Jupiter
59. Subud
My dad used to worship at the Subud group in Sonoma. Reading the posts about Anne Haas has really clarified quite a few things for me... I'm extremely disturbed by everything I hear about Subud right now. I was desperately struggling for validation but I think I wasn't emotionally prepared for what to do when I found it. I'm going to take a bit of time out, and maybe come back to t
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12 years ago
Jupiter
QuotepomegranateOccam's Razor people, please. I think it's hilariously ironic to try and apply Occam's Razor to a discussion about cults in general, let alone the topic in question. Especially if it's something you know nothing about, and are only posting for the sake of reputation. If there was nothing to be concerned about, why would you even care?
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