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Onion wrote: I just tried to look up info of the Palmer Lake facility burning but all I found was a Palmer Lake, Washington fire. Fact check needed. Anyone know? I haven't heard anything along those lines. Onion.
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2 days ago
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Reep: Yes, I remember the wedding trail. G&M always acted like royalty...or cult leaders! I wish that we had all been aware of Gary and Marilyn's true relationship while JRS was dying. That would have blown a lot of people out...if we would have believed it, that is. I was aware of a few people that vaguely alluded to their inappropriate relationship as it was developing. Once word g
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2 days ago
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Imapurple wrote: That was a weird day at Kling. The first of many weddings! Hey! Just like Rick! And now let’s travel through all the church’s and cash in! Gifts, money, praise! All on the backs of “The little people.“ Yes, so selfish and cruel.
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3 days ago
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I'm assuming 'Aleutian' is referring to a different Gary Hargrave than the one mentioned in the article above who is an example of kindness, compassion and selfless service: Posted by: Aleutian Date: January 09, 2019 09:12PM I recently recalled a time I was volunteering working on Gary and Marilyn's luxury home on Oahu in Hawaii. It was a hot summer day, and I didn´t
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3 days ago
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This article (below) must be referring to a different Gary Hargrave than the one we knew :) The Jerusalem Post September 21, 2020 Gary Hargrave on the Intrinsic Value of Giving "With decades of experience in Christian ministry and church leadership, Gary Hargrave is known especially for his message of unity through spiritual maturity. His teachings embrace the importance of givi
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6 days ago
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Posts from October of 2018: Posted by: changedagain Date: October 22, 2018 02:04PM puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I suppose Gary will next bring a series of sermons > on forgiveness. He’ll tell Rick’s victims to drop > their bitterness and forgive Rick. Any of you > reading this that were abused by Rick, I’d think > twice b
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6 days ago
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A plea from Reep to sever ties with religious leaders who have no real concern for your well being: Posted by: Reepicheep Date: July 27, 2020 10:57PM And now to those who won't or can't leave the group formerly known as TLWF. I was just like you for over forty years. Here is a word to the wise: The owners of The Walk/The Living Word Fellowship have been degenerate conmen and w
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7 days ago
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Referencing the boisterous Happy Clark: Posted by: changedagain Date: August 28, 2014 07:34AM This question posed to 'The Man of God' during a church service in the 70's keeps lifting my spirit to this day: 'IF YOU ARE NOT THE CHRIST, THEN WHO THE HELL ARE YOU?' Posted by: FCSLC Date: August 29, 2014 12:37PM I think a big "red light" moment fo
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7 days ago
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The 'miraculous healing' post by Richard M. from February of 2019: Posted by: Richard M. Date: February 28, 2019 03:19PM While reading everything here on page 840, including comments by Tmason, this whole thing, "JRS, Marilyn, Gary and Rick," reminds me of an organized crime syndicate, but finds me with great trepidation for the unknowing victims now caught as willing
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9 days ago
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Again, Marilyn condemning members of the fellowship for not loving or praying for John enough, knowing full well she had been getting busy with her new boyfriend as he lay dying. Now that's a sociopath.
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10 days ago
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Lilith wrote: Proverbs 28:27 that certainly flies in the face of the conservative view of "why should I pay for someone else, I worked hard so should they". Well what if they can't? And this definitely places the greed of the TLWF leaders under a lens when the people had virtually nothing and were still called upon to give. Yes And there was a certain sadism in their attitud
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10 days ago
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The Jewel wrote: Take A good open minded and honest look and ask yourself why there isn’t a forum on this board dedicated to Trumpism. It is absolutely a cult. Check it against the cult definitions listed in these forums. I think it fits well. Yes A post by 'that little red flag' from January of 2019: Posted by: that little red flag Date: January 29, 2019 12:19PM Disillus
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11 days ago
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Cult Expert Calls Spiritual Group Love Has Won ‘Particularly Pernicious’
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14 days ago
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It is a bit bizarre because there was often advice from the pulpit and in counseling to get an education and not drop out. I think some picked the easy route and used the JRS so-called “vision” ( and other teachings) as an excuse. In my case, our local pastor...who was quickly rising up the ranks in the Walk...downplayed the importance of going to college in one of his sermons, citing the comi
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14 days ago
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For whatever reason, I tuned out the political propaganda that came from the pulpit while I was in the Walk/TLWF...adhering to just about everything else, however. Though I had majored in political science in college, I had never even voted until after leaving the cult in '98. I even remember him saying from the pulpit that if George McGovern (D) was elected president in 1972, that the
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14 days ago
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Grew up in a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood in Indio...close to the railroad tracks. (Adobe Road) My parents got divorced when I was 12, and my Mom raised her 4 kids while working as a school teacher. First summer job: McDonalds Second summer job: working in Coachella valley vineyards assisting the grape pickers (minimum wage, 110+ degree heat). Attended an elite liberal arts college, d
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14 days ago
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Well, I have lived a privileged life, so I guess they're right. /s
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15 days ago
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This is a political oriented post, so if the moderator decides to remove it, I'll have no problem with the decision. Like the author of this article (below), I have been apolitical for nearly all my life, but that has changed given the present environment, and its imminent threat to the values I consider most important: Abraham H. Foxman wrote: Nothing pains me more than to speak up
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17 days ago
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F'ing cult. note to self: this two-word sentence would have made a perfect ending to our sixteen year discussion on this particular cult. And now you have ruined it with this comment. Next time...if there is a next time...let it be!
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19 days ago
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"The Lord has been huddling in a corner of my room the past ten days, and shows no inclination of leaving. Nor will he answer any of my questions. Right now, it is just me and him together in this house, and frankly, it is freaking me out. Is it possible for the Lord to have dementia? Do I have dementia, and the Lord is not really there? Assuming it is real, would it be rude to ask him for
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19 days ago
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On the subject of peddling phony visitations: Posted by: Saw enough () Date: November 16, 2016 10:16PM Gary has persisted in promoting the vision JRS allegedly had in 1972 seeing 7 years into the Kingdom, even though one of the Blix girls at that time told Gary and Marilyn that she had been with John Stevens that entire day. This was common knowledge among the Living Word Building gossips.
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19 days ago
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kBOY wrote: Pretty ballsy to make up such a tale, but certainly explains why it fell into the 'restricted message' category. yes
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19 days ago
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"I saw the Lord huddled in a corner like a pile of dirty laundry." Yeah, that's pretty uninspiring. I hope no one decides to write a song about this "appearance."
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21 days ago
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I came across this post on FB this morning. Does anyone know who the author is referring that helped G. with PR in the early 2000's?: "Hargrave Ministries just tripled their followers. Judging by the fact that none of Gary’s platitude scripture posts has gone viral independently (they all hover around 30 likes), my best guess is that Gary has paid someone to pump his page up with bo
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21 days ago
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I'm pretty sure 'Invisible' is referring to the memorial service for Bob McClane: Posted by: Invisible Date: September 19, 2014 02:27AM I was told that at the end a memorial service, a love offering was taken up for the children of the man who had died. After the memorial service was over, when one of the family members went to the ministry who was in charge of the love off
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22 days ago
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A post by lone.wolf from November of 2018: Posted by: lone.wolf Date: November 19, 2018 11:22PM I am a new user to this forum, but have been following the most recent comments since Shalom’s letters were made public. In time I would like to start reading from the beginning of the entire forum; I’m sure it will answer questions I cannot find elsewhere. For days I’ve struggled with what
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23 days ago
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Wishing everyone here a pleasant, safe extended weekend. BTW, just because we're approaching Labor Day, doesn't mean you should feel obligated to 'voluntarily' work on some leader's luxury home. Perhaps this leader might feel compelled to help you out on few needed projects. ;) #Fantasyland
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23 days ago
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The post that kicked off a very long, involved discussion. Since 'Altar_Kent' came forward, there has been 11,562 comments and 2,100,120 page views. Altar...if you're still out there, is this something you anticipated? :) Posted by: Altar_Kent Date: February 23, 2004 03:18PM Is anyone familiar with this movement? It is based in Kalona Iowa at a camp/compound called Shiloh
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24 days ago
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I do remember being at a summer camp in 1968 when JRS was prophesying over Marilyn (after a night service, when most people had left the building). He said that she would no longer be called Marilyn, but would now be called Miriam. Marilyn was a lot of people, wasn't she? Given her reputation for destroying lives, I think at least a few vets of the TLWF experience might have thought the n
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