QuotePhilipsI agree that giving the straight dope is best, but the manner in which it is given will either lend to someone working through their issues, or leaving this site because those heated words scare them away and you have utterly failed to do your best to keep them here, informed and on the path to healthiness again. You can be the key to them seeing it a different way than Impact has in
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You may rethink this part. I was in the US Marine corp and even though it can be said I had no choice in how it was used on me in this context. LGAT's are no different. I joined the Marine Corp (my choice and was not drafted). I paid for Klemmer & Associates seminars being told up front it was not psychological, and it was. Yet. I signed waivers and attended all of them
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QuoteSaneAgainAs for people mimicking the trainers after the training - Skeptic quoted this on another thread: QuoteThe ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves. D. James I have to add: the most perfect slave are those blissfully and unawaredly enslave them
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It seems that what is missing for those like Philips, and ohters who come on this site desiring for there to be love and acceptance of LGAT's. What is needed for these folks is to have walked in my shoes over the past few years, and the shoes of the many on this site who bought fully into the LGAT mindset and have suffered great destruction from trying to apply this crap in life. Love
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I tell you. The more I research, and the more I dig. I see LGAT's as being second generation Scientiology that has emerged from the influence of Dianetics in our society. I see LGAT's as a byproduct of Scientology on a few dynamic individuals who saw ways to make money off of this philospy. This is just a hunch.
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It does get hard not to go off topic. I personally have not attended Impact Training Seminars. I attended Klemmer & Associates seminars in full. As I have read many posts on various LGAT"s seminars and the effects on peoples lives. It gets very difficult to keep them seperate in my opinion. I personally feel that any, and all conversations on LGAT's will have a good r
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I thank you all for how this issue of going off topic was handled. I had to check myself in this area. Because as I browse the various threads, and add comments. I lose track of exactly the topic of thread and post based on the current postings. So, in hindsight. I can see how I have been guilty of going off topic at times. I will work on keeping myself on topic more closely. It was ni
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Thanks for the information. The more I read about Scientology. The more I see the tentacles from this philosphy influencing behind the scenes several controversial aspects in our society. Agian, thanks.
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If I am mistaken about Wikipedia? Please explain to me where I am off base. I have been very fustrated trying to sort out the information on that site. What seems to be the prevailing argument is about how any valid posts must have a positive angle for it to be accepted on the site. At least it is what it seems to me from reading the many threads that I have read so far on LGAT's.
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It is as if. The only acceptable fashion that is allowed to be stated is for positive information only as being valid and acceptable to post. Anything else is considered unsubstantiated information. Even in stating this website as a hate group. What a joke. There are people like myself who have gone through these seminars, and have firsthand knowledge of this garbage LGAT philosophy. How su
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For now I am a little fixated on this connection. Only because of what I have discovered in my researching out Klemmer & Associates and how it has developed into a broader research project. Klemmer & Associates is just a pawn in an overall game plan. In my opinion that is. As I have been researching LGAT's as a whole after coming to this site and discovering the similarit
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QuoteSaneAgain I thought the point of christianity was that you only have to ask Jesus for forgiveness yet catholic church is christian but expects you to go through a priest. Maybe someone could explain that, if it is not too off-topic. Real quickly to not go to far off topic. I have been what I understand to be what I will call myself as a biblical Christian that has a relationship with God
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Here is another good read part of this link that I gave above. The scope and complexity of Scientology's international activities should encourage a renewed interest in the organization as a focus of academic study. Academics who take up the study will witness noteworthy events over the next few years, only a few of which they can predict. First, researchers will witness Scientologist
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Isn't it interesting how LGAT's deal within the psychological realm as psychiatrists do. Yet, LGAT's deny this up front with a participant going in, and then "WHAM" every aspect of the seminars is psychological in how it is dealing with a participant. Things that make you go hmmm... Dianetics as the cement that holds the foundation together for LGAT philosphy...
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Interesting read. I did not know that L. Ron Hubbard declared war on psychiatry and his philosphy and its agenda is to rid the world of psychiatry. Here is link, and copy of the portion talking about it. Read more of the site. Good reading... Scientology's International Attacks Against Psychiatry The "war" against psychiatry has been integral to Hubbard's mi
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I am working on connecting the dots here. I have not read the book "Dianetics" yet, I remember it back when it came out. I avoided it like the plague back then. As I have been doing research on LGAT's, and Scientology. As I have been back tracking with what information I get on these two things. I am picking up a very strong sense of a connection here. But not in a dire
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Quotequestion ladyI justy wanted to mention that I think the blog post belonged to a young man who removed the post from public view after it was copied verbatim on another web site. At least that is what he says on his web site. It is unfortunate he chose to remove it but it points out the importance of getting permission before copying an entire article or post from another site. Thats too
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Any lawyers interested in discussing a lawsuit case toward an LGAT??
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Rswinters Senior Member Joined: 05 May 2007 Posts: 213 Posted: 07-08-2007 02:24 AM Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This post is extremely long. But it is exactly the same as if he was talking about Klemmer & Associates. In all aspects on seminars. Remember Brian Klemmers mentor Tom Willhite is the foun
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Rswinters Senior Member Joined: 05 May 2007 Posts: 213 Posted: 07-08-2007 02:24 AM Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This post is extremely long. But it is exactly the same as if he was talking about Klemmer & Associates. In all aspects on seminars. Remember Brian Klemmers mentor Tom Willhite is the foun
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Rswinters Senior Member Joined: 05 May 2007 Posts: 213 Posted: 07-08-2007 02:24 AM Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This post is extremely long. But it is exactly the same as if he was talking about Klemmer & Associates. In all aspects on seminars. Remember Brian Klemmers mentor Tom Willhite is the foun
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Rswinters Senior Member Joined: 05 May 2007 Posts: 213 Posted: 07-08-2007 02:24 AM Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This post is extremely long. But it is exactly the same as if he was talking about Klemmer & Associates. In all aspects on seminars. Remember Brian Klemmers mentor Tom Willhite is the foun
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This post is extremely long. But it is exactly the same as if he was talking about Klemmer & Associates. In all aspects on seminars. Remember Brian Klemmers mentor Tom Willhite is the founder of PSI. So it makes total sense that they are carbon copies as they are. The Red/Black game that happens in Klemmers first seminar is stated precisely how it is done in Klemmers first seminar.
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QuoteON2 LFI don't know who Voltaire is or was but he must have heard of 'the secret' and landmark education.... "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." --Voltaire Since "The Secret" is sewn into the underbelly of every LGAT that has been shared on this website. Which is very clear as you read the relational atrocitie
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QuoteGhost DancerI cannot believe what this has done to me. I have never threatened my wife before. I hope this ends and soon. I feel like I have been emotionally raped because of this and I can’t take it anymore. Sorry to here that this is happening for you. If PSI is anything like Klemmer & Associates is as a company. They will flip this around on you and support her as bei
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Brian Klemmers definition of Christianity using Scientology doctrine is definitely not the same definition that is considered the Biblical definition of Christianity. Klemmers version that is derived from Scientology leaves out Jesus Christ and the cross as what defines a person being called a Christian and in relationship with God. This is the one aspect of biblical Christianity that is th
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I have done enough reading to come to the realization that Brian Klemmer and his companies definition of Christianity is not the biblical definition that is commonly associated with it. Klemmers definition of Christianity and view of God more clearly stated in Scientology philosphy. Here is a link where you can read it. This has alot of reading on this link. But please read it thoroug
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Quoteelena(Incidentally, Charles Manson also "studied" scientology. I can definitely believe that. After reading what I have so far on what Scientology doctrine is. Oops Scientology doesn't like the term doctrine. Oh well... For those Scientologists reading here. Get over it, and change the meaning to what you want. Change the meaning to one that won't offend you. Ap
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There is definitely a very strong link in Klemmer and Scientology. Here is a link to a new topic thread about the connection between Scientology and Klemmer. But, it is also addressing all LGAT's since they are off shoots of the same original company. Scientology = Tom Wilhite from Psi mentored Brian Klemmer who created Klemmer & Associates. Here is a link to Scientolog
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oops forgot the link.
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