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13 years ago
joe6
At the sentencing, the judge gave Darren Mack the maximum sentence, 36 years: The judge said: 'Despite all the time I gave him to speak yesterday, he never said 'I'm sorry,'' To the end, it seems Mack was trying to "create his own reality".
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13 years ago
joe6
If you feel a sense of responsibility about who you give your money to, your hundreds of dollars are going to the Landmark lawyers who try to silence anyone who criticizes them. Their lawyers, using money from people who took the Forum, tried to shut down the web site you're looking at right now: So, even if you think you can avoid the harm that Landmark will do to you, don't give
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13 years ago
joe6
QuoteVic-LucLook, no disrespect, y'all take y'alls Bible study somewhere else...Talk about Jesus in the Jesus threads. All I'm interested is a hardcopy/snapshot of the allamericanpatriot page. Vic-Luc, you may have missed my message above in an (understandable) effort to scroll past the Bible study. It is not the allamericanpatriot site but is, I assume, the original State De
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13 years ago
joe6
QuoteVic-LucAnyone have a hardcopy of the article? The original page appears to be here: This does not mention Landmark Education. To see that, you need to go back to Sept. 24, 2006 in the Internet Archives: The next Internet Archive snapshot of this page in Feb. 2007 does not mention the article. See: Of course, one wonders who talked to whom between Sept. 2006 and Feb. 2007.
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14 years ago
joe6
Hi Blue Pill. Sorry to hear about your suffering. I had a relationship ruined by Landmark but I myself never went farther than being dragged into the "graduation evening" (recruiting session). I hope it's not too early to ask a question. Many of us on this message board wonder how something so insidious as Landmark can continue untouched, even when people realize they be
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14 years ago
joe6
What Landmark does over the next 10 years depends on the "Second Coming" of Werner Erhard from exile. If he shows up in San Francisco giving seminars again, his followers will be energized and unstoppable. A devotee of his did a "documentary", funded by Erhard's former lawyer. Werner is not out of the picture at all. See this thread:
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14 years ago
joe6
The attorney that argued for Jeanne Been is Jason Messenger:
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14 years ago
joe6
> Generally speaking, I think that any group with any set philosophy can be taken into absurdly extreme realms by people with psychological problems. That is the responsibility of the individual, not the group. While you are here pursuing your purely intellectual interests among people whose lives have been ruined by LGATs, you might want to try to form a definition of "apolog
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14 years ago
joe6
The hearing was held yesterday. The meeting notes say "Plaintiff's motion to vacate entry of judgement is denied." I'm not a lawyer but it sounds to me that the judgement stands that grants a dismissal to Landmark in the case. Does anyone else have info on this. I haven't seen any press on it.
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14 years ago
joe6
(Correction: "Ghost Dancer" is dealiing with a different LGAT, PSI, but the same question applies.)
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14 years ago
joe6
> ...Otherwise known as sociopaths. Or users. Indeed. But the main problem is that it's not actually illegal to exploit other people's gullibility, because of the presumption of reason. If Landmark says "Give me $450 and you'll be transformed and if you're not satisfied you can get your money back", where is the actual illegal (as opposed to unethical) a
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14 years ago
joe6
Hearing to "vacate entry of judgement" set for July 25, 2007 After the judge granted final judement in favor of Landmark, it looks like the plaintiff, Jeanne Been, got a couple new lawyers on May 9 and made a motion to vacate the judgement. I'm not a lawyer, but presumably if the hearing is successful, then Landmark is back in the case as a defendant.
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14 years ago
joe6
> I'm not so sure on this one with the summary judgement thing, I mean, yeah it is a motion, but nothing there says that the case is closed, or something like that. Good point. It looks like the case is still open with Jason Weed as defendant, but it does look like Landmark is dismissed as defendant.
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14 years ago
joe6
Landmark made a motion for summary judgement, and it looks like the judge granted final judgement in favor of Landmark. The text of the judgement would be interesting reading, but I don't see it on the case page. Has anyone seen any press articles about the ending of this case?
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14 years ago
joe6
> If you choose to be in the ILP, it doesn't mean anything. If you choose to quit the ILP, it doesn't mean anything. You are already complete and whole, exactly as you are! And so are your family and friends! Warning. This is more of the "empty and meaningless" and "you create your reality" Landmark jargon. If you choose to be a Landmark introduction le
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14 years ago
joe6
> I still have faith in her intelligence, and if I'm wrong and she's more brainwashed than I think. Get her to participate with you in learning how organizations use brainwashing to manipulate people. If she wants to keep the child's innocence that there are no mean people in her life, if she refuses to study how organizations brainwash, then I'm sorry to tell you t
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14 years ago
joe6
> part of me would like to go there next monday and tell the other people the truth maurice, most important is to heal yourself. In the future though, if you speak French, you may want to help translate the rest of the France 3 video. Or better yet, to communicate with France 3 to get official permission to post the video on Google Video or You Tube. Good luck with your recovery.
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14 years ago
joe6
Due to the ruling on Jan. 18, the case has been transferred back to Tulsa county. New case page: No date set for the trial yet.
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14 years ago
joe6
QuotemazellanBTW, a lot of people I know, as well as some very close personal friends, are or have been Landmarkers. I wouldn't, and neither would they, consider themselves 'abused'. Have your friends studied the techniques that Landmark used to manipulate them, the way their environment was controlled, the way they were fed thought-stopping jargon (which presumably they came out o
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14 years ago
joe6
I'd actually like to do it again myself, but this time looking closely at the way they manipulate people. It would make an interesting research project. If you think going back to the Forum would be "fun" or "interesting", you must not understand that the Forum leader is using one technique after another to destroy the defenses of vulnerable people. Many people do not
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14 years ago
joe6
QuoteelenaI think there may be some message implanted, under hypnosis or deep suggestion, that sounds something like "it's a dog-eat-dog world," or "it's a jungle out there," or "get before you're gotten." I think that's it, Ellen. When I tell my Landmark friends that I object to the way Landmark people use every trick at their disposal to get s
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14 years ago
joe6
There is recent activity on the re-filed case in Oklahoma. The Wikipedia article: The plaintiff claims that "Jason Weed experienced a psychotic episode shortly after taking the Landmark Advanced Course, and shot and killed a letter-carrier, Robert Jenkins." The case page is here: The most recent motions are about choosing a location for the trial. The difference with this cas
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14 years ago
joe6
dzigntank, if you have an interest in Buddhism, then maybe you have an interest in the suffering of other beings, notably the suffering being caused at this very moment and many moments in the past that the Landmark legal team is causing using your tuition money. Awareness of the consequences of your actions is at the core of Buddhism. Does your Landmark training lead you to investigate deeply
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14 years ago
joe6
> I like the way they use the word "racket", nice touch. "Winning formula" is also Landmark jargon which EFF has turned back on them.
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14 years ago
joe6
QuotenutrinoI believe this is a superb example of a new culture shift beginning to be felt.. the enabling technologies like YouTube's video servers, are radically changing power dynamics between "closed systems" and the public domain... Landmark's gigantic conceptual error is that this is nothing more than a series of local brushfires that have to be stamped out before they sp
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15 years ago
joe6
This is already being discussed on another thread:
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15 years ago
joe6
Don't fall for the ploy of "Landmark is better than therapy". The purpose of the assault early in the training is to do something unambiguously terrible to someone, such as destroying their defenses as we see in the video. Why do this? Because this is a technique for manipulating a room of people. It pops everyone out of their common-sense mind. A common-sense person would think
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15 years ago
joe6
> Sometimes a message that is for our own good is said in terms we don't want to hear. If you are a "critical thinker" then you will be able to make your argument in the form "A and B, therefore C". So, A. Sometimes a message that is for our own good is said in terms we don't want to hear. B. ??? C. Therefore, a Forum leader not trained in psychology is j
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15 years ago
joe6
turambar, you laughed the whole way through, even though there was a scene where a woman under public humiliation is crying and the Forum leader tells her it's all her fault and that she should die a slow painful death. This is a terrible thing to see, but I assume that your perceptions have been conditioned not to see things critical of Landmark. You have been mentally conditioned not t
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15 years ago
joe6
Carly B, have you taken one hour to watch the documentary on how Landmark manipulates people: Any group can offer a few things that "sounds right and really is useful". What matters is whether they are hiding a few terrible things, like Landmark. It really astounds me when someone says "Well yes, Landmark may sue people, lie to hide their sordid past, and outright brainwash
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