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15 years ago
joe6
Even though Wikipedia didn't delete the article about the video, user Sm1969 has been busily gutting it. Yesterday, Sm1969 removed links from the Landmark Education and other articles. And today Sm1969 removed the paragraph about "Appearance on the internet" which mentioned Bittorrent and Daily Motion. You can see how busy this user has been: Unfortunately, I don't have
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15 years ago
joe6
Quoteblarney36363636I have the same question as the other guy did. Downloaded it, but it's only 4KB? Can that be right? Am I playing it off the internet or my computer? You have to install the Google Video Player: Then double-click on the small file you downloaded. Google Video Player will "buffer" the entire video by saving to the folder shown in the Google Video Player p
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15 years ago
joe6
I just noticed on their About page that DailyMotion is based in France: Maybe these videos will stay up.
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15 years ago
joe6
QuoterrmoderatorThe French probably don't mind if it's on-line and it's unlikely they invoked any copyright claim. Probably so. Is there a way to "créer une possibilité" to host it on culteducation.com?
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15 years ago
joe6
Quoteskepticjoe6, I don't understand :? The link to the lawsuit didn't work. What happened? Landmark was prepared to sue if a flyer was distributed outside their recruitment (intro) sessions? skeptic This info is from the introduction to the litigation archive (a very useful read). "In 2001, another lawsuit -- this one against the anonymous author of a widely cir
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15 years ago
joe6
QuoteskepticAttempting to inform/educate potential recruits is a great thing to do. I wish someone had been outside the intro session I went to. I had some suspicions and saw some red flags at the session. Had there been some activists outside with info (and it doesn't have to be a DVD, just a "warning/buyer beware" flyer with a short message about the nature of the so-called &q
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15 years ago
joe6
QuoteCruisaderThis is interesting: They even have their own petition with all the reforms they want from Landmark... Not a lot of "conversation" going on. Only 1 message on the group in the last 6 weeks. Hopefully it's because they're all downloading the video.
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15 years ago
joe6
A quick search on the Internet... They could use something like this: No tapes. This saves 3 hours on a a 2 GB flash card. Your iPod has a 30GB drive that could store 45 hours of video. I suppose we are getting off-topic for this message board, unless you are planning to sneak a camera in a session?
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15 years ago
joe6
> It's just so easy to want to believe that there is nothing hard and evil in the world. All we have to do is change our internal perceptions and "bam!", we can never be truly hurt again. Yes, it is possible to control your perceptions like this, but it only works if people around you play along with the game. Where can you go where everyone is playing the same game? Wh
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15 years ago
joe6
QuoteExcaliburI think all this infighting must be very exciting and satisfying for Myles; after all, it's his thread. I'm sure he's allerting all his cult buddies to come on over and see what's going on here. I have a suggestion. Instead of bashing each other let's all bash the real enemy: Landmark "Education". Here, I'll give it a kickstart; Landmark,
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
15 years ago
joe6
QuoteExcaliburI think all this infighting must be very exciting and satisfying for Myles; after all, it's his thread. I'm sure he's allerting all his cult buddies to come on over and see what's going on here. I have a suggestion. Instead of bashing each other let's all bash the real enemy: Landmark "Education". Here, I'll give it a kickstart; Landmark,
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15 years ago
joe6
In a bigger case of someone suing over a fictional book being published as fact, Luigi Cascioli's case against the Catholic Church will be heard by the European Court of Human Rights: "Cascioli filed a lawsuit against the Catholic Church, and Father Righi in particular, for libel against him, and for promoting fraud by observing that the existence of Christ is historically factual.&q
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15 years ago
joe6
Speaking of incongruity detection, notice that Kastlefeer asked "Where's Jack Rosenberg aka Werner Erhard these days?" and now a Landmarker can simply reply "Werner is in an indie documentary" as if this is an answer. Who made the documentary? (Robyn Symon) Has the film maker done Landmark/est programs? (Some reports say she has.) Who funded the documentary? Etc. Why
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15 years ago
joe6
QuoteelenaThey are collaborators in their own brainwashing, much more than a child might be, which leads them to be somewhat at fault in the situation. Certainly it depends partly on the person, given that some people get sucked into Landmark while others are repelled. And certainly many get sucked in because Landmark panders to their own "ego, vanity, or greed". But Landmark also pa
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15 years ago
joe6
QuoteSo please post here any of the more ridiculous stuff that you've come across. When my friend drops into Landmarkspeak, I personally don't find it funny because I understand that he has been badgered into that state of mind through an insidiously crafted system of abuse. When your friend is rattling off this language, consider that this is a way that her mind is trying to cope wit
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15 years ago
joe6
"To show up" sounds like a phrase from the other source that Erhard pilfered: Heidegger's phenomenology. QuotePhenomena are not the foundation or Ground of Being. Neither are they appearances, for as Heidegger argues in "Being and Time", an appearance is "that which shows itself in something else," while a phenomenon is "that which shows itself in itself
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15 years ago
joe6
Don't be tricked by the false dichotomy between "people reporting positive outcomes" from Landmark and "people being damaged psychologically". The reason that Landmark has to sue everyone who shows that their techniques are "cult-like" is that, in mind control, this is exactly what you get: People rave about how great their transformation is precisely because
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15 years ago
joe6
Quoteelena No wonder so many are willing to take the leap into an institutionalized form of la-di-da ~possibilities~ and la-di-da ~empty&meaningless~ insanity and that the Landmark schtick plugs right into that obsessive/compulsive rearranging-the-deck-chairs-on-the-Titanic hole. I understood this better when I saw that Landmark wanted to suppress the author of the following quote. Th
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15 years ago
joe6
It is common for supporters to excuse Landmark for their lawsuits and tactics, saying "Well, they're a business. They have to do what they have to do to protect the business." So my question is not so much about the Landmark leadership being "out of integrity" in trying to erase Charla Mack from existence. My question is why do the Landmark supporters also remain so sil
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15 years ago
joe6
I wonder if the documentary tralks about Erhard's training in Scientology? I thought Erhard when I saw the following clip showing the "technology" in action of harassing people into submission. The "technology" is the astonishing discovery that many people will remain in the headlights of this kind of abuse long enough to give in to their abusers. In the clip, the thre
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
15 years ago
joe6
> The whole thing, more or less is attempt to clear his name. Some speculate that Erhard commissioned this documentary to "clear his name" for returning to public life. Do you have any ideas about that?
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
15 years ago
joe6
Quoteigotitrobyn symon did take landmark classes. the film was also executive produced by werner's former lawyer. It is pro landmark, I've seen it. Interesting. Can you give some references? What was the executive producer's name?
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15 years ago
joe6
And "The Hunger Project: Inside Out" by Carol Giambalvo is here:
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15 years ago
joe6
> If that were the case, it seems that there would be far more testimonial regarding the negative effects. In fact, it appears that there is very little considering the size and scope of their membership. If your father stays in Landmark long enough to become incommunicable with you, will you consider that a "negative effect." Perhaps you don't think this is possible. Per
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15 years ago
joe6
Landmark members are conditioned to believe that Landmark is a "high integrity organization". But the more you investigate Landmark, the worse it gets, so if your father wants to contiue in the happy trance he is in, he will have to use Landmark methods to bury himself deeper and deeper in denial. And if you refuse to go on that path with him, you will start to lose him. It is the sa
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15 years ago
joe6
Quotemidonov123Excellent review of the Landmark/EST - Darren Mack connection by Rick Ross: Keep up the good work! Here's a permalink to the article by Rick Ross:
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
15 years ago
joe6
Here is another page in Google cache which has been removed from the web site: [66.102.7.104] The web page title is: "Count Down to The First Landmark Forum in Manila, Philippines." The following paragraphs mention Charla Mack: Saturday, May 18, 2002 Day Two of The First Landmark Forum in Manila. Break down! As participants left for dinner break, the food court was closed..
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
15 years ago
joe6
The web pages before they scrubbed Charla Mack are still in the Google cache. [66.102.7.104] This has the following sentence: "This Landmark Forum has enriched my life further because I met so many new friends, including Midori Tai from Tokyo and Charla Mack from Reno." which now reads: "This Landmark Forum has enriched my life further because I met so many new friends, incl
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15 years ago
joe6
Here's a article on the Darren Roy Mack case: "Until 2002, Mack and his estranged wife had worked for San Francisco-based Landmark Education"
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15 years ago
joe6
QuoteAlex_RushPoint is what? Landmark is out of integrity. Told that to the Reformers. My point is: If you had in your hand a copy of petitions from one or two of the previous attempts of Reformers, it would be extremely useful for focussing your efforts. It is the same management that has previously thrown off efforts just like yours. You can learn from their mistakes. And by showing the other
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