Quotenettieyes it is amazing how people start to be zelotos for landmark when they stared out being regular people going about their reagular lives and now suddenly they have become this salesperson for an entity they didn't really know existed before. Very true, and this is so telling. It amazes me to this day that *I* was selling the "course" to people. That is NOT who I am.
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QuoteSaneAgain People are welcome to their beliefs but when its covertly indoctrinated as is done in large group awareness training, personally I have a HUGE problem with it. Somehow when a bunch of people are let out from an lgat and they all "think" alike I don't consider that their thoughts or beliefs are theirs. They THINK they are theirs, due to the tricky way they wer
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Quotedisconnect . . . but we are limited by the simple fact that we just don't know for sure. Whenever I pretend to know for sure, that's when you know I'm lying! What don't I know for sure? That the guy who ran the lgat I got conned into wasn't running the lgat for the sole purpose of conning more people, which was for the sole purpose of padding his bank account?
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QuoteMartinHI do not understand why psychotherapists or other mental health professionals and acedemia do nothing about these cults. So far, I have seen only a few studies. I second that!
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Excellent post, Disenchanted! I especially love the last paragraph, the one just before your phone number (which I also love!), as it's a perfect description of lgats' slimy MO.
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Powerful letter, Skipper. I relate to what you wrote here: QuoteSkipperWhen I pray, I am not able to pray for Bob Wright nor can I forgive him for what was done to me. I do pray that he and the others will be held accountable by a higher authority and will see the damage they have done to me and others.
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QuoteRswintersOnly now the vacuum is stronger from all the destruction this black hole philosphy produces in a participants lives. Very true. Not only are the very things the lgat promised to address left wholly unaddressed, there are now new issues to address too, a few of which are betrayal of trust, exploitation and covert manipulation. These new issues are HUGE for me. HUGE!
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I was thinking about why I have no desire to talk to lgat believers and perhaps it stems from my attempts to talk with my sister. For example, my sister takes the lgat at face value and says that what was taught are philosophies that are ancient and well accepted. She says also that some of the lgat teachings are found in the field of psychology. Etc. As if this legitimizes the lgat. And t
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I have to say, the people who write from the lgat perspective I can't read. I applaud those of you who can read them. The lgat view is too crazy and too unreachable for me to read or reply to. For me, it's soooooo hopeless having a "discussion" with them, but who knows, maybe something gets through. I don't think anything counter to the lgat would have gotten through
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Quotequestion ladyQuoteexImpactQuotefatherof3:shock: Now i feel like i am a completely different person and find joy every morning that i wake up. even those who keep their relative sanity are living in a false euphoria of success and joy. Welcome to the world of mental conditioning my friend, its a mystical, magical place where everything feels wonderful and good...for a little while. If
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Quotecorboy When people sign up for these ventures, they want to become better persons, not find themselves used and discarded as objects. And then some (many? most?) people never come to see that they were exploited. My sister can't see it, despite lots of supporting information I've given her. The exploitation is so well disguised, and the experience of feeling good is so o
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"Everything is as it should be" is a way to keep lgat subjects from thinking, or from questioning or disagreeing with the (lgat) program. "Trust the process". <gag> I was thinking today that, while some degree of deception is somehow acceptable in advertising, the advertising of lgats is 100% false. I thought about the allowance of a certain amount of r
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ON2 LF, Great quote, by the way. I've known about it for years, but hadn't connected it to lgats. Perfect connection! Thanks! I found this one on another list: The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves. D. James
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QuoteupsidedownnewspaperQuoteON2 LFI don't know who Voltaire is or was but he must have heard of 'the secret' and landmark education.... "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." --Voltaire Voltaire wrote Candide in 1758 and anyone frustrated by The Secret should read it. I like to imagine the philosopher, Dr Pangloss is Rhonda B
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QuoteelenaI would love to see a class action suit against one of these "self-improvement" cults. Ellen So would I! skeptic
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QuoteSteve989 The ex-wife called me this afternoon and told that because I was not going to help her, she was taking me back to court and get custody of my daughters. She also wants more alimony. I can't believe this. It was bad enough that she left the way she did; she gave me custody of the girls and said she wanted a new life without either of us. Guess it's just another chapter
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Steve: UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I gasped reading your post!!!!!!!!!!! Lgats make people crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!! skeptic
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I have a question about getting OUT of an lgat, or, getting an lgat out of a person. If an lgat-er never knows about the programming to which they were subjected, are they ever OUT of the lgat? Or, by the very nature of thought reform is knowledge of it required to shed it? I consider myself OUT. My sister says that she is out, however she emphatically denies that the "course" inv
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Quoteelena You may well have had defects, problems, shortcomings, and/or flaws that demanded treatment but, dollars to donuts, MKP, and all the other similar groups, substituted a far worse set than the ones you arrived with. Yep! Well said. Very true.
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QuoteSaneAgainHi Brad, You are so right about the lgats being all the same; when I first found this board I was outraged at being blatantly lied to, because Wendy told us on several occassions that the Quest training is "Unique in the world". Tooooo funny!!! I was also told by the (paid) recruiter that course #2 was a unique product on the market (something like that), which she
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Steve, It sounds bad. I'm in something similar with my sister. After going through an lgat she treated me badly during one of the worst times in my life. I took a couple years of abuse before coming to my senses and ending the relationship. I warned her that it was coming and I told her why, but it did not matter to her. She had a new "family" and new "friends" in
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Quoteoutofimpact It is only in looking back, with time away from my experience that I am able to see it for what it is. It is more than mind blowing. What I experience is how I knew that I was uncomfortable but I still went through with the whole experience because I was being promised so many things. What I couldn't see was that my being there was really serving the trainers. Everytime
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QuoteJack Oskar LarmQuoteAlex_RushI'm suggesting that a better understanding of his perspective will allow you to communicate better with him, and to do that, you need to understand view of people who like Landmark (not fanatics, but just like it). That's about it. Communicate with a brainwashed, soul-bleached Lekkie? Easier to try and talk to 2 and 3 year old children! In fact, an a
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QuotelanajaeQuoteskepticA good friend of mine who I tried for a few years to recruit ended up in the lgat, on someone else's dime (my sister's). I met him at the airport upon his return, very curious to see what he thought, because he was stubborn and skeptical too and had had NO interest when I had tried recruiting him. I was astounded that he LOVED the "course". I marvell
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Quotelanajae I knew I hadn't gotten through because the reply started with this phrase: None of what you say is wrong nor is any of it true, it is what it is and I chose to make it what I want. THIS IS NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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QuotelanajaeThanks elena, it's very sad. If you had ever met this guy before, you would never dream this could happen to him. He was the most pig-headed stubborn skeptical person I ever knew. Lana, A good friend of mine who I tried for a few years to recruit ended up in the lgat, on someone else's dime (my sister's). I met him at the airport upon his return, very curious
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continuing from the above post: As a result, I think it's far better to prevent the spread of the lgat infection than to try to deal with infected people, after the fact. I recruited my sister into an lgat. Before she went in, she respected my opinions and listened to me (which is partly how I got her in). Since the lgat she has been a different person for several years now.
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<addendum about deleting the programming> Instead of being difficult to delete, I mean to say it's TRICKY to delete. The programming occurs unbeknownst to the subjects and THE SUBJECTS DON'T KNOW THEY'VE BEEN rePROGRAMMED. If you don't know it, deleting it isn't something on your "to do" list. I suspect that most people who've been
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Pers - So glad to hear it! I wish there was a resource like this back when my friend recruited me. I totally agree with you that by not going you are preserving your marriage and your sanity. Lgats are very destructive and once inside your system it can be difficult to delete the programming. I am so glad you found this site! skeptic
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QuotenutrinoOh, but what was Authenticity ? Where could you look up the Werner definition of Authenticity ? Problem was... you couldn't... and asking hard questions was interpreted as.... righto.... Inauthentic.... interesting thought loop, no ? The only way to be truly Authentic was to NOT question what was meant by Authentic... because then you were Inauthentic... which in Werner-worldview
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