Scientology to repair damage from est? Now there's a great twist on the lgat con! Market your company as a REAL helper and rescue the victims of another lgat! Unbelievable. This just adds more layers of manipulation and deception to the recruitment process. skeptic
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Quoteanon0820What do you think if a true believer saw this? Would it be rubbish to them? Would they snap and realize how pathetic they really look? Any thoughts? For the record...it was spot on. :-) I think that some awareness, however minute, might possibly occur for a true believer due to how the information is presented: there's an entertaining quality to it, which makes it watcha
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Wow! This is an excellent educational tool. Creative, pithy, entertaining way of exposing cult tactics. Something very watchable. Cuts right to the core. Great thing to hand out at LE intros :!: skeptic
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Quoteturambar And to answer a question you haven't asked yet, but I think it seems natural to wonder, I haven't done much volunteering with Landmark, and I don't expect to do so in the near future. I have a startup business to nurse along, and other things to do, so my time is limited. LE hasn't created a breakthrough in you regarding your concept of time? I don�
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Quoteturambar The whole point of the conversation at the mike, by the way, is to get you to do some introspection, understand things you do or don't do, and move beyond those behaviors by understanding them thoroughly. Only some of the people choose to go to the microphone, but everyone's there to listen and virtually everyone finds something useful in what they hear. A fact that was
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Count me in as someone for whom this board has made a HUGE difference. The understanding of LGATs that I have gotten here has helped me tremendously as I strive to dissect what exactly happened. I marvel at the ways in which some posters describe the way LGATs work and the effects they have on too many trusting, unsuspecting people. Some posts just blow me away! I have learned so much here.
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Quoteelena I'd write her off. Really. Not being flip or inconsiderate but knowing what I do know about Landmark, the last thing I'd want to do is get involved with a follower -- on any level. It's just too much work, too demoralizing, too frustrating, too futile. Landmark turns people into users who are glib, arrogant, know-it-alls if they aren't turned into brain-damage
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joe6, I don't understand :? The link to the lawsuit didn't work. What happened? Landmark was prepared to sue if a flyer was distributed outside their recruitment (intro) sessions? skeptic
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Attempting to inform/educate potential recruits is a great thing to do. I wish someone had been outside the intro session I went to. I had some suspicions and saw some red flags at the session. Had there been some activists outside with info (and it doesn't have to be a DVD, just a "warning/buyer beware" flyer with a short message about the nature of the so-called "course&q
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Quotenutrino I mean, Mr. Schreiber, with all due respect, your trianers say that everything is just interpretation, not what "really is"... so how can you complain if your discomfort with the truth, is, you know, just your interpretation of what is ? Too true, too true. Also, LE creates its own reality, right? Tsk tsk. When it's time for these lgat sociopaths to apply thei
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Riplee, I agree with Ellen, regarding learning how cults/lgats operate. That has helped me a lot. Another thing that has helped me, as I started the process of inspecting, then rejecting, the crap I "learned" in the lgat, is rejecting the LIE that I'm doing things all wrong or I'm a failure/weak/etc. when I'm feeling less than a SUCCESSFUL WINNER. One of th
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Quotepragmatist The two top things that bother people about a company like Landmark (and it doesn't end with them - Tony Robbins is another NLP devotee) is: 1) they charge money for what they do 2) no discernable product/service is perceived by those who never attend anything like this, and are just observing from the outside (like you are doing right now by reading RR) so it's easy
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QuotepragmatistIf you want the latter, rather than the former - then go enroll to a college class in psychology, and you can listen to the wise, bearded, thick-glassed professor with his Ph.D. in psychology who is 100% "ethical" and will regurgitate something he read somewhere, or some personal testimonial of his, without the traumatic effects of self-reflection, and reframing one'
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Quoteanon0820QuoteYou can change your thoughts. Start noticing what goes on in your head. If you don’t like it, start consciously changing it. Choose new thoughts. My ex once told me of a story that happened to him as child. He was so embarrassed and humiliated by the event. When he went to the workshop, that all changed. He 'changed' that moment in his life, to a positive one. He no
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ewwwwww yuk!!!!!!!!!!! Yeh, I remember when I was in the first phase of indoctrination, we were "taught" that the way to win was to be attractive, and we'd attract winners to ourselves. HUH? I had questions ~ in my head ~ but I pushed ahead without giving them any thought. The program was set up that way, and I was swept along in the mania. This crap has really seeped int
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QuotenutrinoQuoteskeptic I'm halfway through "The Sociopath Next Door" by Martha Stout, and I see even deeper how lgats teach sociopathy. The lgat I was conned by programmed us not to say/think certain words/concepts. An excellent, if modestly flawed introduction to the subject... and yes, the New Age/Human Potential/LGAT milieu draws the sociopathic personality like flie
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More from The Sociopath Next Door. There's some interesting things in the chapter titled, "The etiology of guiltlessness: what causes sociopathy?" Stout says "there is credible evidence that some cultures contain fewer sociopaths than do other cultures." For example, studies in rural & urban areas of Taiwan show a low prevalence of antisocial personality diso
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QuotenutrinoQuoteskeptic The lgat I was involved with said "'WHY' is the booby prize". Talk about stopping thinking, questioning, examining, probing...... We weren't supposed to ask WHY! Ah yes.... Werner all time stupid proclamation of all time: "Understanding is the booby prize" ! Oh, wow. I didn't know that. I thought the lgat leader mad
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The lgat I was involved with said "'WHY' is the booby prize". Talk about stopping thinking, questioning, examining, probing...... We weren't supposed to ask WHY! Also, "don't explain, don't complain". "I am my results" I'm halfway through "The Sociopath Next Door" by Martha Stout, and I see even deeper how lgats te
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QuoteVerbalizin And it's your interpretation of that event today that now causes you to resent and fear and dislike LGATs. When I first started out of the LGAT-induced trance, I used LGAT thinking to analyze the confusion I was feeling. I used all the mindgames I could to assign all responsibility to myself for my LGAT experience. However, I now see it differently. I take no respo
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Ellen, So well said!!!! Excellent description!!!! I love it!!!!! skeptic
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Here's an example of why I think BK's teachings are nutty. She says, "When you do The Work, you see who you are by seeing who you think other people are. Eventually you come to see that everything outside you is a reflection of your own thinking. You are the storyteller, the projector of all stories, and the world is the projected image of your thoughts." While this is p
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Right. In the con "course" I was recruited into by a friend, they taught us how to create "trust and rapport". Huh?, I wondered. I did not know what that had to do with my purpose in being there. I was confused. Some of the modules sounded like sales techniques. I did not understand. The "course" has evolved from one that was 3 (long) evenings and 2 FULL day
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QuoteGulab JamonQuoterrmoderatorGulab Jamon: Many controversial groups, movements and leaders are discussed here that are not labeled as "cults" and have not been called "cults." I know you yourself have not called Byron Katie's organization a "cult", but a poster above implied that she is a guru and has guru-like tendencies, and even said that her denying
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A couple more things I don't like about Katie. She teaches "you create your reality" and it's black or white, so, for my purposes, it's unusable. I also take issue with the teaching that there's only you, everything is about you, there are no others. All problems, answers are within. It's my experience that there are others (who are real) and that ther
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My dislike of Katie is based on my looking at her work individually, and as objectively as I can. I have carefully listened to the CD and I try to watch my knee-jerk reaction. I think the material she teaches is on the crazier end of the spectrum. I don't know how her organization is run but, for me, the distorted thinking she teaches is too similar to the "thinking" I lear
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That's right! BK uses attendees to "demonstrate". I get the idea that the subject feels the need to give the answer BK wants. Ya think? The effect, then, on the viewers is that BK just "turned around" the person and banished their woes. All in a matter of minutes. Like magic. The very doing of a (magic) show has a special effect on viewers. The CD I got at t
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Quote I wonder if a mere mortal can achieve either trait. Yeh, same as the LGAT. Inhuman expectations and standards. Thanks for that article.
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Gulab Jamon, One thing about BK is that her "work" seems to be about mind games. Very similar to the LGAT I was involved with. Questioning what's true, what's real. Reframing. And while there is good (therapeutic) work in that vein, (BK, IMO, and) LGATS misapply, twist and misuse, as has been so well explained on this board. I still can't explain it the way I
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QuotenutrinoQuoteMiniTru "No circumstance requires a negative conversation." " Ummmm.... my sentiments exactly as I watched the Wolrd Trade Centers implode before my eyes.... gosh darn, I said to myself, whoever was responsible for this is perfect just the way he is, and no circumstance requires a negative conversation !!!... I felt so much better I want out and ordered a great
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