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18 years ago
skeptic
There's some interesting stuff on www.morerevealed.com
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
skeptic
Cults/etc. are a symptom of an ill society. While I think the roots of the illness must be understood and addressed, I also think that the fact of dishonest exploitation (the symptom) must also be addressed. Yes, the predators are capitalizing on society's illness and vulnerablities. But, I think this kind of criminal behavior needs to be addressed in the law, somehow. There is something
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
skeptic
QuotenutrinoBut. boy o boy did they need to be right ..... they needed, they needed so neurotically, so obsessively, with such unreasonable determination... ME RIGHT !!! ME RIGHT!!! ME RIGHT!!! ME TRAINER!!!..... matched only by their other diatribe.... "have you noticed how people NEED TO BE RIGHT???!!!" .... yesssss.... we noticed..... Yesssssss indeed. Like Dynamix, I too started
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18 years ago
skeptic
QuotenutrinoQuoteskepticMy head spins so fast whenever I try to follow the "logic" and "sense" in lgat "teachings". They're all about redefining, reframing, rethis, rethat. The exact point ISN'T logic and sense.... the point is to overload your critical thinking system with double binds, non sequiturs, emotional flooding, exhaustion, until you don'
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18 years ago
skeptic
SUPER VICTIM .... too true, too true! This is EXACTLY what lgats specialize in: SPIN. More spin, better spin, faster spin till we're all DIZZY, DISORIENTED. My head spins so fast whenever I try to follow the "logic" and "sense" in lgat "teachings". They're all about redefining, reframing, rethis, rethat. Super victim. I love it!!!!!!!!
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
skeptic
Quotenettie I am very sick of the word coaching that now comes up everywhere. How do we know who has some good knowledge about people and not just some new age crappology. Ditto for me! Sick of hearing about coaching! Such a scam. It IS scary how people come out of lgats thinking they have all the answers. And they're excited to tell everyone else how to live. That's another
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18 years ago
skeptic
398. Beliefs
Thanks for the support and suggestions! Good points. Bonnie, the MoL piece hit the nail on the head. BAM! I know I'm in a process of picking up the pieces. Looks like a loooooooong haul, from this vantage point. Reading here and elsewhere definitely helps the process of (deeper & deeper) understanding and of finding some pieces. I also want to add, I may be misstating when
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
skeptic
399. Beliefs
Post-cult, I'm completely baffled about how to believe and what to believe. In addition to questioning and discarding the cult beliefs, I am doing the same with ALL my beliefs. As a consequence, I feel shaken to my core and without a foundation on which to stand and from which to operate. I think I need some kind of belief system but my bind is that I don't know how to know what
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
skeptic
QuoteSamuel I call PSI the piss and shit institute. (hahahahahha). Ha ha, indeed! And Landmark is Landmine! I also thought of Landmarsh. Nutrino, I love your description of the sociopaths who head up cults!
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
skeptic
401. LEK
Quotesonnie_dee It says its ok, you did nothing wrong when they have done something very wrong. There is no right and wrong. You learn to scramble and twist your brain so that up is down and black is white. No reference points, no value system. All mind games. You learn to lie, deny and rationalize with frightening skill. This is dangerous stuff.
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18 years ago
skeptic
402. LEK
QuoteClausDIaAND the most important rule: Your transformation will happen only if you tell other people about it ( ... which means invite them for guest events). Next step: Your guest did not show up, so something about your "being" is wrong .... Reading here is so good for me, as I struggle my way out of the lgat-trance. This comment brings up yet another memory for me. The
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
skeptic
Quotelightwolf what they see as giant leaps forward for themselves are really lapses into regression. Linguistic regression, emotional/ psychological regression (the "infantile omnipotence" referred to at different places on this board), and for some, spiritual regression. But hey, I'm transformed! When you've been cognitively disabled and procured the tools to play mind
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
skeptic
QuoteWiser AussieAt the start of the 3 1/2 days of this seminar we had to sign an Agreement Form to the following: 1) Do not wear watches. We lost perception of time - i.e. Hypnosis. 2) Stay seated at all times. We were assured 'breaks' would be allocated every 50-60 minutes for refreshments and toilet breaks. However, this was not always the case i.e. there were times
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
skeptic
QuoteWiser AussieIMPACT OF MY LGAT EXPERIENCE TODAY 1. Do not trust people. 2. Spiritual, philosophical and ideological void. 3. Aloneness better than being with manipulative people. 4. Still deeply hurt. 5. Ripped off Spiritually and Financially. 6. Innocence and belief in human kindness ripped away. 7. Feel psychologically raped. 8. Experience cycles
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
skeptic
Programs offered by Context Associated are experiential. Because these programs are most effective when you discover them for yourself, rather than having them explained to you in advance, you may not be fully informed about the nature of the programs prior to enrolling. Further, while we make every effort to limit enrollment in our programs to those individuals who are most likely to benefit f
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18 years ago
skeptic
QuoteExcaliburQuoteskeptic Since when is education so stressful? Well I must take issue with you skeptic, education is quite stressful. Don't you think medical or law school would be stressful? Hell, I found high school stressful at times, I'm sure everyone did. Good point. To expound a bit, when someone enters medical or law (or high) school, are they "informed"
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18 years ago
skeptic
A few things re Landmark's agreement. I'd like to hear from Landmark what technology they use to help people create new possibilities. Quote: The Landmark Forum offers a unique technology through which people create new possibilities for their lives. Landmark assumes that your presence in the The Landmark Forum indicates that you are "fully aware of what you are undertakin
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
skeptic
Quotenutrino IF you are doing stuff that has a profound emotional effect on people, on a consistent basis, you are charging good money for this stuff, the stuff you are selling comes with a strong suggestion that one's fundamental outlook on life will be changed (for the better, hopefully), and it will have a substantial impact on family dynamics, interpersonal relations in the workplace, an
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
skeptic
Quotenutrino The REAL question, they one they hope you won't be asking because you are tied up sweating cultness versus non-cultness, is ARE they practicing psychology without a license ? Are the owners, trainers, teachers, gurus, "coaches" (dontcha just love that weasel word.???... "Heavens no ! I'm not a psychologist, I'm a COACH !", ya, right.....and I�
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
skeptic
I think there is something unlawful about stealing minds and lives. Stealing material possessions is against the law. Why is it OK to deceptively reprogram (steal) minds? Something seems terribly, terribly wrong with all of this. MIND CONTROL is a known thing. I think society needs to clearly identify what constitutes mind control in order to do something about it! Not doing something doesn
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18 years ago
skeptic
QuotelightwolfQuoteskepticThis speaks to the IMpossibility . . . That's a great way to say it skeptic! It's absolutely true. heh heh . . . thanks! I tried for over a year to show my sister that I was not what she was "seeing". After beating my head against the wall for over a year, I realized just how invested she was in seeing me as inferior to her. I decided
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
skeptic
Quotelightwolf She would not even acknowledge that there was a possibility that she was wrong. Not just zero probability; that possibility did not even exist. She could not say: I COULD BE WRONG. How narcissitic, infantile-omniscient is that? They get to define which possibilities exist and which do not. How convenient is that? For all their talk of giving up being right, being right and o
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
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Quotenutrino To borrow their jargon, "show up as the possibility of being otherwise", avoid petty emotion, enlarge your thinking (start reading 2 or 3 books about subjects that she wouldn't expect), try listening to music that challenges you, learn to cook a few new things and do an impressive job of it... in other words... start learning to surprise yourself with your own capacit
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
skeptic
Yes, I realized that what was being taught in the LGAT I was in was dysfunctional ways of coping with REAL LIFE. Self-deception tops the list of coping strategies. We were taught how to lie, first and foremost, to ourselves. It was called "reframing". We were taught to lie about the world around us. We were taught how to dodge, deny, avoid, evade REAL LIFE (the messy parts). We we
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
skeptic
QuoteLucas You mentioned that LE is changing because of the death of a leader - any idea how the organization is poised to change? Suggestions for further research? I'm working on an article about the company as we speak... Lucas, To clarify: the leader/founder of CONtext Associated died summer 2004 (though you'd never know it by CONtext's webpage or the new (morphed) one,
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
skeptic
It's not easy for me to describe the twisted thinking that was taught in the Lifespring spinoff I was involved in, and many here say it so well. But I want to try describing one thing. Incidentally, I am really amazed that, based on what people say about LE, CONtext sounds just like LE (which is now morphing because the leader, Randy Revell, died). All these LGATs sound essentially the
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
skeptic
What disturbs and horrifies me is that LGAT "thinking" and jargon have greatly seeped into and contaminated society at large. I see evidence of it in sooooo many places.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
skeptic
nutrino, you say it sooooo well! Love reading your posts!!!!
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
skeptic
Quotenettie I guess it is as you said - they take a normal business practise and redefine it to suit them. That nothing was allowed to interfere is the normal way for how a landmarker acts. That's exactly what BEING IN INTEGRITY means. She has probably COMMITTED herself to these conference calls. If you have COMMITTED yourself and don't do it then you are OUT OF INTEGRITY. When you are
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