A most natural assumption is that a person does not get something for nothing. Apart from the express declarations of salvation by grace through faith God has given in the scriptures, it would be natural to think that one must earn salvation, or at least work to keep it. Thus, in abusive religions all blessings come through performance of spiritual requirements. Failure is strongly condemned so t
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Because the religious system is not based on the truth it cannot allow questions, dissent, or open discussions about issues. The person who dissents becomes the problem rather than the issue he raised. The truth about any issue is settled and handed down from the top of the hierarchy. Questioning anything is considered a challenge to authority. Thinking for oneself is suppressed by pointing out t
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The abusive religious system is scrupulous to maintain an image of righteousness. The organization's history is often misrepresented in the effort to demonstrate the organization's special relationship to God. The mistaken judgements and character flaws of its leaders are denied or covered up in order to validate their authority. Impossibly high legalistic standards of thought and behav
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The most distinctive characteristic of a spiritually abusive religious system, or leader, is the over-emphasis on authority. Because a group claims to have been established by God Himself the leaders in this system claim the right to command their followers. This authority supposedly comes from the position they occupy. In Matthew 23:1-2 Jesus said the Scribes and Pharisees "sit in Moses&
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Spiritual abuse has a devastating effect on people. A very high level of trust is often placed in spiritual leaders. It is, and ought to be, expected that the trust will be honored and guarded. When such trust is violated the wound is very deep. Sometimes the wound is so deep that the wounded person cannot trust even a legitimate spiritual authority again. An analogous situation exists with th
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Jesus was not "image conscious." He was willing to associate with wine drinkers, cheating tax collectors and even prostitutes. He accused the legalistic Pharisees of "teaching for doctrine the commandments of men" (Matthew 15:9) and likened their showy, hypocritical outward rightousness to "whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but are within full of
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That is a spirit of criticism Han! I always felt it the minute I walked in the door the atmosphere was always like icicles thats when I started getting panic attacks.... It felt like the school playground when I was a kid. If you didnt fit into Cheryls gang you were on the outside. The leaders would all sit there staring at you twisting their hair copying Cheryl. (except the men of course). The
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Hi Dragon! I wonder if I know you lolol. Welcome to an audience with Kirkby Christian Fellowship! The only place were ex-members are allowed to voice honest opinions without the censorship of Cruella Doyle. I hope you find it the liberating and healing experience that I have found it to be. Well done John I am proud of you! Looks like they have brought their charitable status into disrepute. I
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A person who is spiritually fit does not require people to sign bits of paper.That is putting there reliance on man above God. Also the scripture comes to mind My sheep hear my voice and they follow me! Jesus never got his disciples to sign contracts. Jesus worked on attraction rather rather than promotion. Jesus did not stoop to legalistic pharisiac methods.
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When I was a member this church we had to sign a covenant that we were one hundred percent committed to the fellowship and the leadership an to each other. That meant unconditional love. Part of this covenant said that if we were ever in trouble that Cheryl and the leaders would be there for us . When my life went down the pan in a big way there was no-one there for me except a family friend who
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Hi Han, Good scripture and one that sums up the activities of Cruella Doyle. I too was one of those little ones but Im all grown up now. And I wont stop untill the truth is heard .....
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See you can not silence me now! I will not be silenced anymore God knows the truth ,God is opening KCFs ears to hear the truth No amount of human control can defeat the move of God s Spirit He has come to set the captives free. No amount of prayer can hold back the tide of his spirit, God is moving to liberate this church Come Lord Jesus Come by your mighty Power and your oustretched arm
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Hi Only Me! It is good to hear from you again! Your imput is valuable on this site... One of the things I have learned as I have toured around this country as a Minister is that the church is an amazing thing. It doesnt matter what denomination I visited one thing became very clear. God speaks to his church. And it is amazing to hear the voice of God speaking in different ways to different chur
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Hi , Its good to be back! I have used this time away to contact many of you on this forum and that has been really healing. Its a weird feeling, its like someone pressed the pause button on my life in 1991. Now the play button has been pressed after all this time and Im able to continue were I left off all those years ago and the friendships havnt changed despite all these years . Apparently tha
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:) Hi Trina, Good to hear from you! It was Billy who too prayed with me after my divorce he had about 11 words of knowledge for me about my ex-husband. They were absolutely spot on. They went in to how my husband had almost killed me strangling me but the phone went and I got out of his grip. How he had had affairs behind my back etc stuff that nobody else knew. Another man I am grateful to is
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I know I have been loud about my experiences in KCF ... That is to expose unjust experiences and dark secrets to the light so that people will identify and not feel alone... However I could not speak a bad word about Bill Turner. I know him well and he has always been there for me in my darkest times. I have always found him to be a humble and kind man , full of Gods unconditional love with a g
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Any one who reads their bible regularly can see that the scriptures used in support of" knitted relationships" are totally taken out of context..... What does everyone else think? Discuss...
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What made it more scary was people said they d had visions and dreams about the whole of the fellowship fleeing in drove, running from the anti-christ to hide in Scotland because apparantly Scotland was a safe place not under the anti-christs dominion. I did have nightmares about that at the time....
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hi I think it was Trina who mentioned earlier about the intense end time///last days teachings that were given to her in Sunday school...Correct me if Im wrong? The teachings were very intense based on the fellowships belief that we as christians will go through the great Tribulation and be persected by the ant-christ. I did find this frightening at the time and I was a young adult so goodness k
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I do agree with you firefly I think the woman displays classic signs and symptoms of being a sociopath. There is an iteresting article I have been reading where members of a cult infiltrated a nursing home, and were spiritually abusing the elderly. Notice how they always pick on the most vulnerable... have a look at this link........
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So what your saying Dave these people had been trusted by the authorities to act as responsible parents and they changed the locks ,so their vulnerable 15 year old foster daughter became homeless. Still considered to be a child by law because she was under 15. Now Im Gobsmacked and mortified. All this reminds me of how I felt when all theses things were going on in the fellowship. I still feel
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Hi Dave, Its seems so crazy .... Like something out of a Hammer Horror Film... I feel so sorry for that person , imagine waiting to die, that is such mental abuse and done to the kids... Very serious stuff.. It has took me back into the horror of it all coming on here. But our voices need to be heard, not just for us but for all the hundreds of people who left this fellowship . My heart has gon
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Liverpoolwriter I went to one on Aintree racecourse like that of a bloke called Benson Idahosa. He turned up in a limo and did the begging thing ..He was boed of the platform by the scousers it was great. We nicknamed him Pastor Bucket.......
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yes Trina all the ministers we were told to use as role models have all been exposed as corrupt havnt they, Benny Hinn, Rheinhard, Roberts Liardon came out of the closset bless....
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Thanks for everyones comments there are some things I find I cant get the courage to share on here because they are so serious. Suffice to say I did in fact take an overdose with the intention to die because of Cheryl and Dave. 4 people left the fellowship immediatley when they saw what had happened to me. For the rest of the fellowship Im sure the real story was hushed up. But there is one membe
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He Firefly hat off to you girl...for sharing so honestly. I am astounded that a woman would take a 10yr old girl up to the discipline room and accuse her of sexual sin. Massive alarm bells are ringing now... If someone did that to my kid I would be sueing them for abuse... This woman is a total monster ,talk about inapropriate behaviour, overstepping the mark. Cheryl is obsessed with sex..She see
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After being mentally and physically abused as a child(no sexual abuse except in Dave and Cheryls head). My Dad was really bad to me but I have forgiven him cos I know he is an abuse survivor himself. But that thing with the stones they did with you was unbelievable. Legally they have no right to do that . I would have been terrified. I remember Cheryl sharing with me that before she was a christi
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Its amazing after all these years the facts we have talked about still have the capability to utterley horrify me..
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It seems crazy to me how can you condemn people for masturbation and then tell people she manipulates her husband with sex to get whatshe wants...How is that different from prostitution?
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Oh my God Trina that is superstition picking stones out of the bag. Its like the national lottery. That is not christian behaviour no wonder all her children all left home and ran away from her. That is mental cruelty. How has she got away with this crap for so long. I am a hippy too Trina I dont hold with all this uptight ,judgemental born again nastyness
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