QuotejogravesMaybe what they really want is to make a lot of money off the stupid Karmis without having to bother with initiating them or letting them get involved in the secretive and exclusive SOI "society", I think it could possibly be something as simple as followers trying to do what they think is the right thing without any guidance. It is usually the poor people that are runni
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Hey Jo :D Well my honest reckoning is if they were sincere about following Chaitanya's Mission and had genuine claim to feign outrage against the principles of Gaudiya Vaishnavism being violated that they would not be turning people away as they do. I have heard no shortage of stories from former followers talking about the same thing happening all over. The situation reminds me of s
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I know that I have said so many times in no uncertain terms that I would not have any website if Chris Butler personally instructed me not to have it. His silence is just plain foolish in this respect. I came here to be a devotee, nothing else and if that is not good enough for a guru then I guess nothing can be. I know there is no shortage of people that think I am a fool for saying things l
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It is quiet now but goes up until about last week. There is a huge trolling element around the middle and you will get to the warning from RR to disregard zeligs posts around 20 pages back (?) Initiate is zelig btw - you will get up to him coming in a few pages ahead. There is a lot of great info here but the forum format is a bit tricky. Lots of people still read here too so there is
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Thank-you for posting that pamphlet Zeusor - I have seen very similar, and with the same website link handed out fairly regularly in Fortitude Valley in Brisbane Australia which has a large Chinese population. The Epoch Times is also widely available there. In Sydney there are adverts featuring an innocent image of a child with a flower and saying you can uncover the secrets to a peaceful life
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BTW Vaishnava Aparadha is not criticising devotees. I have taken some points out of the below article. What SIF would intend to do at the very least (they tend to prefer threatening people with a little more fire power than brimstone) would be to call on the guru to denounce me on the Scriptural basis that a guru that condones criticism of a Vaishnava will go to hell - but so will those who
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So this is how contact with Jeannie Bishop ends.. The poor woman works 20 hours a week all year for no pay as the President of SIF presumably subsisting only on toenail prashadam and the congealed venom she spits on behalf of her guru at the slightest truth..err criticism. Three times Jeannie has been asked by me to inform me whether Jagad Guru is living or not - how could this be a hard qu
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Um ok I guess you have to get this off your chest somewhere :? What you have just proclaimed is pretty much what every person of every religious persuasion thinks - that they are the best people and the world would be a better place if everyone fitted in with them. The problem is that no one is allowed to have any opinion on anything even vaguely related to Judaism without being accussed o
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In agreement with the above I am totally not about to really read whatever that was, nonsensical ranting. Yeah Yeah I am the hardcore thinking chick :roll: - and dammit doesnt anyone want to see these DBs actually brought down?? Remember folks - just like those Nigerian bank scam letters people don't realise that people TALK with accents but they dont WRITE with them - Doh!!
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Hi atheist - there was originally over a thousand of these. You can flag them but I dont know what good it would really do since there are thousands of followers obviously with nothing better to do. ASM and Vege Chips have gone into dedicated spam mode too. This morning I got another email from Jeannie Bishop titled "Something to Consider" Clearly she reads here as the quote that s
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There is some comments on this thread which sugguest John Friend has developed a bit of a cult following and is quite charismatic. He does not seem to be mentioned on this site, but there is some very negative reports about Siddha Yoga concerning child sexual abuse and the characteristics of a destructive cult. www.leavingsiddhayoga.net The fact that he made this yoga up himself shou
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I fully believed that Chris Butler was a disciple of ACB also which is a large part of the reason why I placed trust in him. If I could of I would have become a disciple of ACB proper although the ritvik system (initiating in his name in his abscence) is not in effect which may or may not have been his wishes depending on who you believe. There is a new ISKCON section on the cultofbutler site
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What you are asking is more or less a rhetorical question, even if you did not intend it in that way since if you have to ask, expecially when you have associated with his followers and had access to his teachings then Jagad Guru definitely isnt leading a very good example. In the disciplic sucession the ability to follow the example of all the spiritual masters before you is the quality of a
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Quotehoax108If these are the characteristics of a "pure devotee", do we see JG manifesting them to the fullest as well? Has he made it his mission to instill in his followers the same qualities? How is JG taking the instructions from Jesus and applying them in his life and inspiring others to do the same? I know that Jagad Guru falls well short here. Anyone else have any thoughts?
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I am pretty sure that we have seen the broken rasta style talking before from memory it was buckwheat?? When the weather is too bad for surfing or theyre not drawing cartoons for guru I think the young devotee guys still need something to do. Maybe that is a bit sexist but I dont think the girls would know how to use a computer or have time between cooking and babies and all. A little bird ha
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:lol: You try to be a little bit nice to devotees and all and they dont respond to that but they have been hitting the site with a vengeance focussing on trying to hack the gallery - couldnt have anything to do with trying to get their tax return and the documented proof Sid lives with his female disciples could it :wink: Yeah yeah they wont communicate because they dont trust me but rest ass
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This is most of an email that I sent out this morning to pretty much random devotees of Chris Butler. I have wanted devotees to know that I did not come insincerely, I did not want to be important or better than anyone else. I did not ask for or expect to be given anything, all I wanted was to serve Krishna under the guidance of a bonafide guru. I chose Jagad Guru above anyone else who calls t
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This is the second email that I received from Jeannie Bishop a few days ago and my response to it, I have not heard back, and considering the content that was just uploaded to the site I doubt that I will. I just find it interesting that for a religion that does not have an concept of independence at all everyone is independent? :? Dear Cara, I hope you are in good health. I'm ha
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Hi Kat, I agree that you are very smart for recognising the signs and think that before you make the decision that you should keep finding out more about Course of Miracles and looking at cult awareness sites. I think that if you are getting along well with him apart from the cult and you enjoy spending time with him then you should pursue that, but from personal experience I would say tak
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Quotehoax108It is sad and absurd but I'm glad I'm out!! I agree that it is a sad situation and there really is no alternative but to get out. The sad thing is that in and of itself the lifestyle can be very fulfilling, there is a lot to learn and some really amazing experiences that can be had, but the whole guru and guru can't initiate decent people as his representatives and yo
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It's interesting that the daughter of a Republican is working for a democrat, but then SoI has always played both sides of the political arena - it isn't about principle for them, just getting into power. You would be right that is the same Vrindavan Gabbard she works in criminal justice. When atheist posted about the Honolulu Weekly article I made a comment here about Jeannie Bi
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In Australia this cult apparently hangs out at Newtown although I personally have not seen them there. They have a small prescence on the Gold Coast as well. There was a story in the Australian Newspapers last year about how one of her gatherings here was responsible for an outbreak of chickenpox. How holy could these hugs be? :? For all the charity that they claim to do in both of these loca
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BTW over 1000 unique views a month, two newspaper articles in the past two months, employees lost to SoI and Noni has changed their name because of the people zelig and co chased away - let what they have done speak for itself.
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Or the people that actually post any INFORMATION are not posting here because of Zelig and his little fanclub. Who are you speaking for when you say we and refer to soooooooooooooooooooooooo many other people with such authority? Just to get that straight, you can read the zelig and just-googling. Go back to the beginning of the argument and see who was attacking who where it was alledged that
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Dear Johannes, I am so sorry that I have not gotten back to you before now, my modem has burned out and I have just gotten online. Obviously I have been using it TOO much and burnt out the power adapter (second time in the last year :wink: ) Please do email me at anytime, just use the email button at the bottom of the post. Would be happy to give you a link and try to answer your computer
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www.landoverbaptist.org http://images.cafepress.com/product/10804580v1_150x150_Front.JPG Finally a church that will take your money AND give something back! The Free Gifts section includes a shocking Bible verse wallpaper, a printable Mother's Day Card "Tell your mother that Jesus told you that unless you hate her, you can't be his disciple." and Download a page from
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:lol: :lol: :lol: OMG - That was hilarious, awesome article. I've been hoping that I would get a copy of the latest mention, thanks atheist. It's funny how a little bit of info on Chris always seems to lead to much more interest and column inches :wink: Would love to know what the cult had to say in reply - Jeannie Bishop must be earning those toe-nails lately - prolly why she
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Hi Johannes, I am not sure that it is a rule, sometimes there is relevant posts on another thread that people pass along so that other people dont miss them, it is just that spending almost all my life online that I havent been able to avoid learning some netiquette - plus there are a few people that think I get too much attention as it is and I am still sulking about it 8) My banishment
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Dear Johannes, It would be naughty for me to cross post too much, but also naughty not to answer your questions. I was with Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa (Chris Butler) I studied for almost two years AC Bhaktivedanta Swami and Chris Butler, involved in the cult here in Australia for a year before I was banished. Before that it was a long time studying and being involved in oth
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This certainly is a very funny thread - Jake your knowledge is so good maybe you can help me? I have heard there is a guru who initiates disciples online but I cant find it. I love this site : QuoteAn elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier tha
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