This is what happens with most of Landmark's breakthroughs. The course leader will tell you the importance of integrity and how you are out of integrity and that's why your life doesn't work. And of course then, you want to find where you are out of integrity so you do a really thorough search through your life where things have gone wrong, and you go and call the people involved a
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Landmark technology is jealously guarded by the organisation. When you do any of their courses you sign an agreement saying that you will not talk about the tech outside of the course (or something to that effect) you're allowed to talk about what you experienced or what you "got" but you're not allowed to re-publish the actual material that you learn. Also I know that the fir
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QuoteanniebeeI think it's the most narcissistic, unempathetic, anti-Christian program I have read or heard about and would caution anyone from attending---it destroys non-Landmark relationships overnight. Of course, the first thing Landmark says to you is "your life doesn't work." And when you share about your relationships, they takes the same uniform view on all of them (tha
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Landmark forum leaders are the perfect example that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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Phew! What a post! First I'd just like to say, well done for resisting their tried and true tactics of 'enrollment!' Secondly a question, is your psychologist a just a customer of landmark, someone in management or a forum leader? How deep this woman is in could be important in determining just how at risk you are being treated by her. The reason Landmark is dangerous is bec
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A friend of mine did ILP. He cleaned out his car till it was spotless for about a week. Then after that the garbage piled up so badly that at one point he had a dead mouse in amongst all the garbage. Thanks for the insight, I always wondered why he never had the time to keep his car clean during ILP.
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The one (and pretty much only) breakthrough I had was with my Step Mother. As a result of the forum I went and talked to her, really interested in hearing her point of view. As a result, I found out that she really wasn't the evil witch I thought she was, and got a real insight into her position, and in a broader sense, how ridiculous and petty my whole family war is. I am absolutely certain
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Nettie, that is the saddest story I have ever heard. I cannot believe that this black hole of an organisation is allowed to exist.
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I find it so hard to work them out as people. It's so strange. They all dress the same, talk the same, sit the same, and radiate the same aura of mystery and power and success. But out of the two forum leaders I met (both women), they were both radically different. The one who took my forum I thought was fantastic. She had no problem recruiting me. Man she was flawless. I still find it hard
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I too went in there very skeptical, and very confident of my ability to observe and remain uneffected. But then they start talking about the stakes and running rackets and trying to convince you that your life doesn't work and to just 'try it on' and 'give it a go' all in that sweet as pie encouraging tone. These people have been trained for years to break through the str
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Quotemidonov123 ??? Why would anyone pay thousands of $$$ to see a Monty Python video??? I really don't get It! Is that all they've got, Emptiness? Surely there must be some secret that is being kept ... or else why is there an endless number of advanced seminars? Where does it all lead to? Selling more "empty and meaningless" seminars? In the advanced course, they oft
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I liked how the kid says at the end: "who cares if Joseph Smith made it all up, because what the church teaches now, is forgiveness, loving your family and helping people. And even though some people in THIS town might think that's stupid, I still choose to believe in it. Look Stan, all I ever wanted was to be your friend, but you couldn't just ignore my religious beliefs and be my
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Yes that's pretty much true. LGATs always don't tell you what they're selling, only that it's "very effective" and "can't be explained only experienced." That's because phrases like "life is empty and meaningless" and "you're not authentic" and "you have no integrity" have no meaning to someone who hasn't un
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I was riding past my local landmark branch in South Melbourne on the way to work yesterday, and there were about 100 people who were taking the forum loitering outside the building. As I rode my bike though the crowds, I saw many confused faces, and many faces that I almost recognised. And I rode past a guy who was about my age. He could have been me a few months ago. I wanted to scream out to th
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Here's an interesting question. Are forum leaders rich, and if they are, why? I've heard many people say that LM forum leaders get paid very ordinary wages for doing what they do (which to people in LM seems an absolute crime :roll:) but at the same time, I hear that a lot of forum leaders don't exactly lead a poor lifestyle. In fact apparenly one of them has recently SOLD ONE OF T
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Tactically speaking, it might be best just to drop the subject. If the evidence that you've shown her hasn't convinced her, then what more can words do? If you don't let up she'll just push you further and further away until it destroys your marriage. Just accept her choice and let the nature take it's course. She'll either get deeper and deeper and try to recrui
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Well, you do make a few good points. We are all brainwashed into this great collective of a society. Told what to buy and what not to, who is desirable to associate with and who isn't, what looks good and what doesn't. It serves a purpose though. It is the glue that holds the social structure of communities together. That we agree what is good and what is bad. Everyone is brainwashed
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QuotefoodguypdxI have taken both the Forum and Advanced Course. To those who speak of brainwashing or manipulation I challenge you to defend those points of view. I have read time and time again how "I know someone who did it" or "I lost someone". If you yourself have not done the Forum and are basing your statements, etc. on hear say then you are speaking only from that re
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QuoteAngelaCute lol... but I wonder what it says about us that we enjoy watching such a serious issue turned into comedy... *sigh* It is a serious issue, very serious. But attacking any scientology with comedy is a really good way to tackle this hoax of a religion and to warn people about it. It says a lot about scientology that simply stating the facts about it is comedy in itself.
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At my forum they taught us how to cure our headaches. I didn't have a headache at the time so I didn't try the method, but I heard a lot of people's amazement at how the technique seemed to magically ease their pain. They told us "your headache is just a racket, a story. If you seperate the pain from the story, your headache will have no reason to be."
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Quotekittycat Is it TRULY possible that after the forum plus a 10 week seminar, my friend is being honest in saying she won't go anymore? Anything's possible. But with the heavy recruiting sessions they have in these courses (up to 45 minutes or more at the end of every session) it's not very likely. You will have to find a way to give her the belief in herself she needs to break f
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Attacking with humour is such a good way to go. It will really throw your friend off balance, and while at first it may even make her angry that you aren't taking her at all seriously, it's better than being the concerned friend who is just "running a racket." Over time, continually bringing her back to reality, attacking with the truth will eventually start to break down all
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Oh and don't forget to be prepared for the old "your life doesn't work" routine. It goes something like this: "You're not really happy." i'm not really happy. "You're potential hasn't even been reached!" my potential hasn't even been reached. Don't forget that for them to fulfill a need in you, they must first cr
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Whenever I criticise Landmark, my friend always comes back to me with "the Landmark technology has made such a difference for me in my life" (he'll then go on to list the things he got out of doing the courses, like how he doubled his income, reunited his astranged family members etc) "so no one can ever convince me that it's bad. That's the bottom line for me."
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I'm tolerant of religions. It's when religions instill intolerance in people and cause bad patterns of behavior that I take issue. In the end, I think that all religions are just a band aid for the lack of faith we have in ourselves and each other, so it's much easier to believe in a God watching over us, dealing out karmic justice. But sometimes it takes wearing that band aid f
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In regards to their 'healing devices': "In a few cases clinical trials were terminated because the investigators were overwhelmingly satisfied with the effectiveness of our technology and did not wish to deprive the control groups of the relief they found immediately with the experimental groups." ROFL!!! This is WAY too funny. I can't believe they actually PUT this
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It is always possible to help someone out of a cult. But the evidence must come from within, it must be her decision, not yours. You can only tell her the truth, communicate the logic of the situation (which is poison to the closed circuit Landmark logic) and show her how much you care about her. It will take more strength than most people have. And you might not end up with anything to show for
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Nice comparisons, metaphorically accurate. Well done!
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I was familiar with this site before joining up with Landmark. I just hadn't read enough of the specifics to be prepared for the tactics that they would use on me. Make sure that whoever you show this stuff to reads it carefully, and relay as much of the key information to them as you can with your own mouth.
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ROFL, I think I need to watch this 4400 show.
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