QuotecorboyYears ago, there was an Argentinian or Chilean movie about the military dictatorship that had stolen babies from their imprisoned mothers. The poor mothers were killed and the infants were adopted into the very military families complicit in the murders. One woman, married to an officer who is childless, raises one of these babies, not at first knowing where her child is from...then
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Well I like this image... Byron Katie as Katherine Hepburn and I play the Cary Grant part: [Katherine Hepburn and Cary Grant] Actually there is more from the same movie that kind of fits our discussion: [Katherine Hepburn in "The Philadelphia Story"]
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There's an song from the musical South Pacific that may contain a good image. 'I'm going to wash that man right out of my hair....'
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Must mention other gurus have done disappearing acts after leading followers to be unhealthily dependent on them. Gurdjieff pulled that after his car accident (some thing he drove drunk, and some think he was fed up with all the dependent students clinging to him and faked the accident). Ouspensky, a little more honestly, stated to his own startled students, that the whole thing was worthless,
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yeah, its a good reminder that even though the techniques these people do to us are powerful, once we understand them, they can be reversed quite easily. Imagery Rescripting, like crushing the cockroach lady imaginally, can be very powerful. Also, Verbal Rescripting, or Disputing. One can imagine each time she speaks in ones mind, the sound is turned off, or its just nonsense coming out of
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I will happily repeat the process. Thx!
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That is very effective, to trust one's own unconscious to come up with metaphorical images, and then to complete those images in some way that seems most beneficial to the person. There is a PTSD therapy called IRRT, which is related to CBT, which does that specifically. "Imagery Rescripting and Reprocessing Therapy". IRRT. They are doing studies now, that show, only in the im
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QuoteThe AnticultBut the happy story is people can deprogram themselves and do a Guru UNINSTALL. Just do the opposite of what they did before. Kick her out of the body using imagination and self-hypnosis meditation, over and over. Reverse all the processes. One has to do the same thing with Byron Katie if she is in your mind too. Kick her out using the same methods she installed herself, in re
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that is fascinating. Gurumayi hiding after installing herself in them is very powerful. Gurumayi could also just be sick of all those people and wanted to be able to get away from them, while still keeping hold of the organization. Who knows, if she has not been seen, she could even have had face-lifts, and then just do whatever she wants. But installing herself in their psyche's usi
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Dear TAC: The person whose AOL material I referred to used this phrase: "I began to fear I could really slip off the deep end, especially after the "secret" install-the-Guru-in-your-bodymeditation which did NOT feel like a loving thing to do to myself." And...it isnt just a case of people walking away from the guru, with this active introject planted in them. Guru
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Install the guru in your body meditation? for real?! Did the SYDA people use the word "install" or was that added later? Because that is a phrase right out of NLP-hypnosis modeling. "Install the X in your body". Just substitute the word INDUCTION for "meditation". "Install the Guru in your body (hypnotic) Induction". That is flat-out hypnotic
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Very interesting. It begs the question why she is writing this stuff. Are there serious complaints being lodged somewhere against Byron Katie "Facilitators"? The irony is there is nowhere to lodge a complaint if a Byron Katie "Facilitator" goes bad. Byron Katie does not monitor them in any way. You are completely on your own. They are not actual facilitators of anything. T
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In the Psychotherapy and Clergy Abuse section, I posted (7-19-08)a long excerpt from one of the AOL threads. It gives, in detail, descriptions of how people in SY had their therapy derailed by working with SY therapists. One person got into SY through her therapist who was already a devotee and describes how thier therapeutic alliance was undermined and ended up serving the needs of the
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Gurumayi, leader of SYDA yoga, has not been seen in public for the past 5 years..about 2003. This vanishing act is all the more grave because, in SYDA people were at that time trained to be dependent on that guru,not trained to be adult in relation to her. ccordign to a 1996 correspondance on AOL, a former devotee (who also had done EST), mentioned a particular meditation exercise practiced
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QuoteThe AnticultAs a matter of fact, from reading Carol Skolnicks self-published accounts of her "conversion" to Byron Katie, it does sound like she had a pre-existing schema in her own psyche for a female Guru. She rejected the Guru from Siddha Yoga, and then guess what, she "falls in love" with Byron Katie, as she describes in in great detail in various writings she promote
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Quotequestion lady How ironic that anyone trying to recover from being hurt by a psychopath or narcissist would turn to BK as a route to healing. There has been some recent discussion how certain Guru systems, carve some type of projection of themselves into the psyche of their followers, they get their followers to fuse with their Guru identity, using all sorts of techniques. So then if a
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Quotecorboy Here is a most interesting conversation from a message board that serves the needs of persons who feel damaged by having been entangled with personality disordered people. One lone person, 'disengaged' was the lone voice of reason and critical thinking. Quote(Disenaged replied) It's not psychobabble because Katie is not a psychiatrist, so to me her assertion
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QuoteGulab Jamon Most call themselves teachers and not gurus. The way they present themselves varies depending on the individual teacher. ****** Guru means teacher. We are all Guru's because we have something to teach. I dated a hindu ex-monk for 3 years and he educated me that parents are Guru's - any teacher is a Guru. A leaf is Guru, a dream and so on. but instead had an e
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Saw another book by Joe Vitale in the library. This one is called: The Key: The Missing Secret for Attracting Anything You Want Page one of the book is all you need to read. He opens the book saying...you've seen The Secret movie by Rhonda Byrne, and What the Bleep, you've read the self-help books, attended the seminars, and YOUR LIFE IS STILL NOT WORKING! What is wrong? What is
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Its not surprising that it appears no Byron Katie supporter or professional is willing to logically and intelligently discuss the facts of the methods that Byron Katie uses on people. They seem to want to do anything they can think of to block that discussion. Denial and deflection seems to be the method of choice. As far as RandomStu, it would have been enlightening to ask him how he is ab
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How does calling it 'THE' teaching override or contradict the point that Sweetface is making here? "THE' teaching actually makes it sound more as though Tolle is positing his theories as absolute Universal Truths. Just like 'THE' Work of Byron Katie. You have to listen to THE teachings and do THE Work. That way, as sweetface points out they don't have to
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Thank you, rrmoderator!
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The above post about Losing The Moon is very interesting. They would be very very worried at BKI if that book Losing The Moon, got into the hands of a journalist in Germany. That could be front page news, or even possibly block a person from entering the country. Is it a type of Holocaust Denial to say the Nazi atrocities were the work of some type of bizarre "loving" God? That is
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Yes, one can be certain that initial "high" is the crack cocaine phase of The Work, engineered right into it. That is always going to wear off, they all use those methods, Landmark, Scientology... Also, as mentioned, one cannot compare Dr. David Burns, to a person like Byron Katie. He is a medical doctor, who was around for years when CBT was being researched, and he has been a part
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We should invite 'Disengaged' over here where people are actually encouraged to think properly and critically and those with an agenda are called out on their bs :)
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I am very glad to have the board back. Here is a most interesting conversation from a message board that serves the needs of persons who feel damaged by having been entangled with personality disordered people. (what follows is from the second page of this discussion) One lone person, 'disengaged' was the lone voice of reason and critical thinking. 'Disenagaged'
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QuoteThe Anticult"The Work" by Byron Katie is not a form of actual Cognitive Therapy, notice how they do not show any links or information about ANY actual studies of The Work? What they do is just mantion the names of the founders of Cognitive Therapy to try to gain some credibility by false association, and then some anecdotes. I saw that blog entry and it made my heart sink. Su
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To whom it may concern; RandomStu has been banned from this message board.
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What a coincidence, and clever word trickery on the Byron Katie blog. They posted some text from an alleged person from Helsinki, Finland, (to make it appear like its from a objective person) where again, they falsely try to link The Work of Byron Katie with Cognitive Therapy. They do this to try to gain some credibility by false association. They post text that is nothing more than an alle
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Dear TAC: FYI your mail may be full.
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