From anticult: One could do an experiment, and contact 20 BK Facilitators and let it drop in the conversation that you have had Trauma, PTSD, or suicidal impulses. See how many of them stop the therapy. Probably zero would stop it, they would get right into it. That is how they are trained. from CC: Do you think that is how I have been trained? Or do you know that is how I have been tra
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I have read now pages 9-18 of this thread. I will continue daily. I have one area I would like to clear - I said "staff fee" - more accurately that is food and lodging cost, not staff fee. Yes - staff pay food and lodging cost. Here is the message I am getting from my interaction here so far: There is a risk of being sued if offering services as a facilitator, BK will not suppo
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The levels of suicides, homicides, and self-harm from those with all of the various forms of PTSD is far beyond what most people have any clue about. Only highly trained licensed professionals, who set up careful systems with people should deal with that. That is why every single proper therapy always says anyone with PTSD should seek proper medical attention immediately. But Byron Katie tel
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Anticult wrote this about PTSD: "Katie also says The Work can be used PTSD. Do people have any idea of how dangerous that is? Triggering PTSD trauma flashbacks in people?" Years ago, I met a veteran who had been a Recon Marine in Vietnam. Recons are Marines who have been further trained to function as commandos. This man had a veteran's love for his comrades and yet he
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by the way, Byron Katie very very clearly disclaims all liability from her Facilitators. She will not support any Facilitator under any condition. Its all there right on the website. So you are 100% on your own out there. Now on top of everything else, Byron Katie is posting that The Work is some type of "therapy". So you can't say you are not doing therapy with people. It c
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QuoteThe AnticultBut the arrogance of some of The Work Facilitators is unbelievable, that can be seen online in many places.Agreed.
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I'm just telling you what I saw as a result of showing up and doing jury duty on two civil suits. Too many people dont do their jury duty, BTW. They miss one of the greatest educational opportunities available. A suggestion for those who have to stay in town this summer and save gas money: go watch a trial, and sit through the whole thing including jury selection, and all the time
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And Byron Katies own blog, which says it is posted by "Byron Katie", just made a post last week that The Work is...the best type of cognitive therapy...as claimed by David Wise PhD and posted by Byron Katie on her own blog. (of course, The Work not listed anywhere as cognitive therapy). But, Byron Katie's own blog is now on record saying that The Work is a type of "therap
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Bravo, Corboy! And Anticult! I am so appreciative of this forum. :-)
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Meta Question--Do I Want to be a Legal Test Case? Additional Questions--Six, Seven and Eight If you think we play rough on Rick Ross's message board, it is actually worse, much worse in court. Reading our stuff might perhaps save you from that fate. I served twice as a juror in civil suits and it hurt me like hell watching people put through the wringer on the witness stand. Th
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Following up what The Anticult has written, if you wanna help people as a BK facilitator you had better add a Fifth Question to BK's Four Questions: Here is the Fifth Question--which contains two sub questions: If I am sued as a result of being a Work facilitator, will The Work Foundation, and by extension BK, reciprocate my loyalty by supporting ME in my hour of need? Or to put it
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For the record, we have had the following as trolls in relation to BK: Daphne, Anticultist, ralpher, Randomstu, prsp (or something like that) and..Ex Scientology Kid. Six and I may well have missed the ones who showed up earlier. So, just to assist in sorting out persons genuinely interested in an adult discussion from those only willing to discuss BK from within her own system, here
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by the way, the Stever Robbins connection to Byron Katie cannot be overstated. Anyone trained in NLP instantly sees what Byron Katie is doing on a metalevel to people, with language and images and stories. (its NOT about the BK worksheets, which are really just a distraction, that is lesson one. She just put that stuff in there to occupy people's conscious minds, that is a very common te
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Some interesting points coming out from our new surprise guest CultCity. - doing The Work worksheets, does lead to the 9 Day programs, that is how it is set up. They suck people deeper and deeper into it. The self-blame created by The Work magnifies depression, that is very clear. Its a bottomless pit. The idea that The Work is free, is false. That has been shown in great detail. Just because
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CC says: Staff School LA flight and staff fee (about $1600) Staff School Germany flight and staff fee (about $2000) "Staff fee"? We here certainly have heard of BK actually getting her "staff" to PAY HER to be her staff. Nowhere else have I heard of a staff member having to PAY the person they are working for.
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Another thing, CC.... In the other thread, you say: QuoteFrom Carboy: What evidence would it take to prove your beliefs wrong? my answer: Not much. Yet in this thread you contradict your "not much" when you say that you'd like Rajneesh level evidence! That is QUITE a jump from "not much"! (By the by, $20,000 for a month with Byron Katie and her "turnarou
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From "Feeling Good: The New Mood Therapy" by David D. Burns, MD: "Because cognitive therapy asserts that only your thoughts create your feelings, you might come to the nihilistic belief that you cannot hurt anybody no matter what you do, and hence you have license to do anything. After all, why not run out on your family, cheat on your wife, and screw your partner financially? I
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CC, there is something bothering me deeply here. You say that you wish to offer sessions of the work. Re this you specifically say, "If I saw that what I offered people as a facilitator created harm, I would reverse my opinion." Why on earth would you take the chance of doing sessions with people when there is a risk that they could be harmed? This seems unconscionable to me. Bryon
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Dear Anti-cult Thanks for the great list for me to respond to: First, The Work has never been shown in ANY studies to have any benefits for anyone. There is no proof it works at all. ***studies are "in the works." (no pun intended) Facilitators of BK are not trained or monitored in any way. ***I don't get that. What do you mean not trained? If you hurt someone by mis
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You should read more than 9 pages. CC-I intend to - I just wanted you to know how far I had gotten into the thread so far... it was a disclosure, not an end point. Your basis for supporting Katie is your subjective experience? CC-I am not sure I am offering my support for Katie here. I am asking a specific question to the group. And on this basis you would promote Katie? CC - Ag
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QuotecultcityI am a facilitator of TW and thinking about launching a website to offer my service to those who may want to experience TW. I have gotten as far as reading about page 9 of the 77 on this thread. <snip> Please let me know why I should or shouldn't offer facilitation in TW in your opinion? Cultcity, I concur with the moderator that you ought to read the entire thread.
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Why does Byron Katie take people's wedding rings at her seminars? Why does Byron Katie practice her own form of waking hypnosis, with her strange stories she tells? Why does Byron Katie tell people to get beyond their stories, and yet she hammers everyone with her contrived story over and over? Quotecultcity From Anticult: "Its not surprising that it appears no Byron Katie s
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That is the same idea as Popper, in terms of any theory being Falsifiable, or Testable. Cognitive Therapy for example, has been put to hundreds of tests. Byron Katie has refused to put The Work to any proper scientific tests, or controlled studies. Meanwhile, she hires and recruits shills to make EXTREME claims about The Work, like saying it is a form of therapy, and that it ELIMINATES DEPRE
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You need to read the entire thread, there is a lot of info in there. First, The Work has never been shown in ANY studies to have any benefits for anyone. There is no proof it works at all. Facilitators of BK are not trained or monitored in any way. If you hurt someone by mistake, you can be sued directly. Byron Katie will not protect you, she will cut you loose, she already has, in her d
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That is a great point. Of course Harpo-Oprah would never hire Tolle or Byron Katie, as they are not bondable, and could not sign all the non-disclosure contracts, etc. They have a concocted past history, and thus are not trustable. No normal person can get employment talking about living on park benches and cockroach motel conversations. Except multimillionaire hypnotic Gurus. That is truly bi
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cultcity: You should read more than 9 pages. Your basis for supporting Katie is your subjective experience? And on this basis you would promote Katie? What specific information would it take for you to reverse your opinion about Katie? Be very specific in answering this question. Again, you should probably read more.
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I am a facilitator of TW and thinking about launching a website to offer my service to those who may want to experience TW. I have gotten as far as reading about page 9 of the 77 on this thread. So far, what I can gleam as the main message from this thread are these two points: 1. People who have a need should seek help from a licensed therapist. BK isn't a licensed therapist.
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cultcity: So you base your support of Byron Katie essentially upon your subjective experience. When you answered Corboy's question "not much," please be much more specific. Perhaps you should read more than a few pages of this thread to fully understand the problems and complaints about Katie.
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I cant claim credit for 'slavya'. I found it on one of the early AOL discussion threads relating to Siddha/Syda yoga. It was a pun on 'slavya' (slave labor) for 'seva' (selfless service). Just so I dont act like a fairy tale dragon and hoard treasure all to myself, I invite all interested persons to read the vast amount of material on those AOL threads. Sol
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But my guess, based on Kings own educational background, which was of a high level, was that he intended heart to balance intellect, not displace it, as Ophrah seems to imply. This is very nicely put, corboy. The problem in so many of these groups is that they totally encourage people to 'listen to their hearts' at the expense of critical thinking. Thereby the notion of 'sel
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