From Carboy: What evidence would it take to prove your beliefs wrong? my answer: Not much. From Anticult: "Its not surprising that it appears no Byron Katie supporter or professional is willing to logically and intelligently discuss the facts of the methods that Byron Katie uses on people. my answer: can I try? I also posted over on bk/et legit thread.
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I am a facilitator of TW and thinking about launching a website to offer my service to those who may want to experience TW. I have gotten as far as reading about page 9 of the 77 on this thread. So far, what I can gleam as the main message from this thread are these two points: 1. People who have a need should seek help from a licensed therapist. BK isn't a licensed therapist.
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A Wee Question: Oprah promotes Eckhart Tolle. But...promoting someone is different from hiring someone. But...would Oprah HIRE an administrative assistant with the unverifiable life background that Tolle gives? Or, for that matter, BK? ------------------------------------------------ A correspondant who responded to misgivings about Oprahs' speech to the 2008 graduating clas
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Another gentle reminder from Professor Dutch: Freedom of Speech 'The Constitution gives you the right to free speech. It gives your critics the right to rebut your claims or ignore you. 'As the late Hubert Humphrey once observed during the Sixties: "The right to free speech does not imply the right to be taken seriously. That depends on what is said." 'N
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To whom it may concern: csp has been banned from this message board.
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It is easy, very easy to start a thread on a new topic. Just look for the 'new topic button' -- and use it. If that new topic button is not visible, you may need to update to a new browser. And..here is a test to see whether a logical discussion is even possible between two parties. It is from Professor Steve Dutch's website. "A Note to Visitors: I will resp
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The Byron Katie website is like a huge spider-web, with lots of sticky trapdoors. Dozens and dozens of ways in, video, text, audio, live Hotlines, worksheets, message boards, everything. Its all designed very carefully to appeal to different people in different ways, and groom and lure them into more books, audio, video, and ultimately the LGAT Katie School, and then into the 100 Day trainings,
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Here's the story. The comments are interesting. Comments: Comments I went to the graduation, it was a lot of fun. The most boring part was Oprah's speech. I was all about her and Tolle. She even gave all the students the book he wrote. They were expecting a car... hahaha!!!. I wonder what the faculty thought about her attack on science and physics in particular.
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cultcity: This thread has been plagued with Internet trolls. Trolling is against the rules and will get you banned. If you want to discuss anything other than Byron Katie, then start another thread. Otherwise stay focused on the topic of this thread, which is Byron Katie.
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I cant recall the names at the moment, but picked up a New Age free magazine the other day. At least one female hypnotherapist was in there and her hair, its color, her make up, eyes, smile and dress style made her look like a BK-clone. Start looking at pictures of various new entrepreneuses on the scene and see if any are similar in appearance to BK. It might be amusing if this turns out t
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Oh right, there was that scary business about targeting children. I can really freak myself out about this BK stuff, so I need to remember that just as I woke up and did an internet search for critiques of Byron Katie, so can others. Also, children tend to have good b.s. detectors, so there's that going for them. Plus how many of them will rebel against continually doing the work?! H
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Oh and by the way it says in the interview that her new book is targeted towards children: Byron Katie: "Yea. Parenting and children. I'm considering calling it Child's Play." [ ooh!s ] Doing 'turnarounds' on children at a crucial time in their development when their identities are still fluid, being formed. This is quite a scary thought.
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QuoteHope I don't think they really know the depth of the manipulation and deception these authors and LGAT people are pulling. Hope, I agree that sometimes even reputable counselors don't know enough about these groups and the serious implications of promoting them. At other times as we have seen on this thread they are in fact participants and may even be looking for ways to in
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I call it "cognitive therapy in disguise" to help you love you and accept what is... Loving What Is: Four questions that can change your life by Byron Katie. This is what the first psychologist I went to said about BK's book, and this is also part of a review on a reading list on her website. Now, she seemed like a perfectly normal, well-educated, PhD, and she specializes in
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from anti-cult "Its not surprising that it appears no Byron Katie supporter or professional is willing to logically and intelligently discuss the facts of the methods that Byron Katie uses on people. They seem to want to do anything they can think of to block that discussion. Denial and deflection seems to be the method of choice." Dear anti-cult (and others on this forum),
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Embarrassment Works Better than Insight Or: 'A Cesspool of Weirdoism.' (Problem is, what if something doesnt look weird) (From C:This gem is from one of the early AOL threads 1995/1996 in which people discussed the impact of Liz Harris' O Guru Guru article in the New Yorker magazine, an article meticulously fact checked, that exposed the actual history and abuses within SY
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What a weasel! The weasel and the cockroach, quite a pair... I really feel sickened by this stuff, when I think back to how trusting and gullible I was, and I'll bet there are quite a lot of people like me out there. I do hope some of the Oprah people will find their way here after the radio show, and hopefully will be open enough to take in the criticisms of BK (and Tolle).
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It does appear that Dr. David Wise is in a business relationship with Byron Katie. Where is the full-disclosure posted? He gives her an open reference on this webpage. So people come to them with pelvic pain, and get cross-referred to Byron Katie 9-Day and 100-Day LGAT's? He calls The Work the best cognitive therapy, when its not listed as cognitive therapy, and has never been tested?
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I do agree that it would be great if more therapists spoke out, but very few do. But the good ones do say very clearly, for example, that if they have not trained with the Beck Institute and have an actual certification from them, then you have no idea of what you are getting. (there are a few other streams of CT though, but the Beck variety is the most tested). Real Cognitive Behavioral Th
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Quotequestion ladyI am frustrated and dismayed by the silence of good therapists on this issue. They need not specify any particular system in order to warn against harmful distortions of their work. In the widest sense I suppose, "The Work" could fall under the category of "cognitive therapy" when done with someone with a license, in much the same way that a lobotomy is o
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QuoteThe AnticultI doubt that any of the real cognitive therapy people would make any specific comments about a specific person. Its been going on for years. Ever since the hundreds of scientific studies have proven aspects of cognitive therapy do work, every Tom, Dick and Katie has been trying to steal some thunder. What they have done many times, is to outline specifically what their kind of
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I doubt that any of the real cognitive therapy people would make any specific comments about a specific person. Its been going on for years. Ever since the hundreds of scientific studies have proven aspects of cognitive therapy do work, every Tom, Dick and Katie has been trying to steal some thunder. What they have done many times, is to outline specifically what their kind of CT is, and how
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A good question, question lady. I will see if I can find out anything about it. Whilst reading Burns' "Feeling Good" book, I have been wondering if BK has "borrowed" from it, as Burns talks a lot about one's thoughts causing problems (aka suffering). I think the book originally came out in 1980, some years before the cockroach made its debut.
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Uh oh. What a nightmare. Why aren't the legitimate cognitive therapy professionals speaking out about this bastardization of the techniques? Have the Aaron Beck or David Burns people said anything?
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Neurolinguistic Programming? Install? (Drawn from material on AOL discussion thread 1995/96. Matters may be different today. But persons in SY during the period covered by the AOL discussion may find this useful if concerned that they are still feeling lingering effects despite diligent work with therapists and a sincere desire to be free) One of the correspondants on another thread, The A
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Byron Katie is to appear on Oprah Winfrey's "Soul Series" radio show on Monday, July 28th, August 4th, and August 11th at 4am, 10am, 4pm and 10pm (all times Eastern). Hopefully people drawn to the show will look into criticism of Ms. Katie's work, such as in this thread: [Byron Katie (The Work) and Eckhart Tolle Legit??]
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Another person falls under Byron Katie's spell: [Byron Katie: The Raw Interview] Warning: if you click on that link to read the interview, there is a very annoying "soundtrack" playing. How is someone supposed to concentrate on reading the interview with that playing? I had to turn my computer volume off. I can't help but wonder if it's Korn music, which JJ said was
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by the way, this does have the same odor as the Byron Katie Europle salespitch where she is saying, ...this may be my last visit to Europe...as the body is tired, and I have had cancer cancer cancer cancer cancer cancer... Its yanking one the same string, that she might be retiring, dying, or whatever. It wouldn't be surprising if BK retired in a few years, they are raking in serious
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Questionlady, that was the film, all right! Thanks. 'I dont want absolution, I want the truth.' The whole movie theatre audience broke into applause at that one.
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Yes, (going back to the discussion of Gurumayi's disappearance) and what about when the Guru unexpectedly and suddenly dies? There was no instruction left regarding who should be the successor or any other instructions indicating how the Group should proceed in the event of our Guru's death. I now know of at least two people who took their lives in the wake of his passing. Some
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