Sahara71 wrote: QuoteIt's like a story, within a story, within a story. Pretty soon you lose track of where you are, which is the whole aim of it, I suppose. You kind of zone out. Friend, what you said here describes a specific technique used in trance induction - nested loops. Years ago on the CEI message board, The Anticult, an expert in trance induction, described this technique.
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What follows is Corboy's speculation. It would a valuable contribution if someone expert in analyzing trance induction could examine some of Rajneesh/Osho's lectures, and give a report. Here is my amateur attempt to do so. -------------------------------------------------------------- Quote“Before I left for Pune , I was a very capable, articulate, professional woman,”
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Corboy proposes a specific diagnostic entity Guru Occupational Disease Cluste Predispositions * Inability to enjoy peer to peer adult relationships * Overriding need to control people and people's perceptions of self * Ambition * Inability to distinguish between clean money and dirty money * Family members who profit * Creation of glamorous backstory, stories may chan
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Sahara71 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- I do not > know of any legitimate religion or spiritual > doctrine that suggests you give away critical > thinking! It is, for one, the basis of all Zen. “Do not seek the truth; only cease to cherish opinions.” - Seng-ts’an, The Third Patriar > Mooji even says that he does not do
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Corboy's citizen opinion: Unless coaching defines itself as a fiduciary profession, it has no future as a true profession. Fiduciary Relationship in Counseling Look at what people entrust to a coach: * confidential information about themselves, finances, their family friends, work relationships. * Confidential information about their company * They may weep or rage in
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corboy, If that is the case, I am delighted to hear it. I understand Perls spent his last few years at the Esalen Institute communing with fellow cerebral narcissists. Riddle me this: How many cerebral narcissists does it take to screw up multiple generations? A few years back I found this great website that was selling action figures of famous philosophers. I have been thinking t
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While reviewing Walter1963's work on NLP, this caught my eye. He wrote: "It happened to me when I took a 3 day NLP seminar in 1995 and at the end of the 3 day seminar I found myself signing up for their 21 day $2500.00 "NLP practitioner certification program", ironically enough it was right next door to a EST seminar. And during the 21 day course, I was regularly bombarded
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Going hungry on a juice regimen that is part of the Byron Katie Mental Cleanse From Corboy's perspective, the author and her friend, both intelligent women, are soon so food obsessed that critical thinking is subverted. QuoteSo how did we wind up on a foodless meditative retreat? A few weeks ago, Anneliese announced that she was going to L.A. for the conference; she was a big By
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Those links to Byron Katie by Anti-cult are very good. May be helpful for followers of Uma. I just read a thing it is saying #sritoo as the new sign for guru abuse! Hope all those abused find healing and peace.
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This stuff has been discussed here in depth by a denizen of the message board named The Anticult. We learned a lot from TAC while discussing by a commercial transformation teacher named Byron Katie. Introduction - double meanings in sublminal trance persuasion. The Anticult showed us how these messages can be used to dull our response to genuine danger, compromise our boundaries and - inst
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"Conversations on Compassion" Werner Erhard Byron Katie Dalai Lama
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bakkagirl Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Yes, and I go back to my corporate cudgel. Let's imagine "attack therapy", or let's call it "attack consulting" is being used in the context of corporations, say, with a management team. > > The administrator would not only gain control of an individual, ala Raniere, but
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It is not just Byron Katie. Stephen Mitchell too. Go to search section of this message board. Choose all dates. Put Stephen Mitchell into the search slot. And About 5,120 results (0.46 seconds) Search Results Spirit Rock Meditation Center - The Work of Byron Katie thework.com/en/event/2016-august-spirit-rock-a-day-with-byron-katie Aug 27, 2016 - Spirit Rock Meditation Cent
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Schmarl, Thanks for your message. I am glad you have found your Zen practice meaningful. I checked out Byron Katie, OMG!!! On coaching, I have been focused on working with executives who are generally transitioning to new roles, or global roles. I have found this very meaningful prior to the field being co-opted by the organization I have been ranting about in this forum. For me, it
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Hi bakkagirl, I sit for about 25 min. in meditation every morning and attend weekend retreats from time to time. My Zen center comes out of the Korean Zen tradition. During our regular practice periods, we have a chanting ceremony, walking meditation, and of course, sitting. Our resident teacher stresses "shikantaza" which you have likeley practiced or heard of from your time in Jap
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Hi there, Thanks for your post, thoughts, questions. First of all, I have lived in Japan for many years and have no idea who Byron Katie is, but will investigate. Second, I have a pretty good handle on the Zen tradition in Japan, having interned in a Zen facility, here, was pretty immersed in it for a time...am also legally-trained, U.S. law school, and have done a fair amount of mediati
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This is my first post to CEI forum but have been lurking for several weeks. (side note: I found this forum after doing some Googling about Byron Katie. I had previously spent many hours watching her videos on her YouTube channel, reading some of her books. I have never been to a School for the Work retreat or any live event with Katie. Anyway, I saw Katie do the work with a woman during a live e
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erner Erhard sponsored visits to the United States by two gurus: Baba Muktananda was recorded as visiting two Tibetan gurus, the XIV Karmapa and Chogyam Trungpa. We learned that Muktananda incorporated est methods into his Siddha Yoga intensives. Gurumayi, Muktananda's successor also uses this stuff. Former Muktananda disciples described this stuff in a listser
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Analysis of a Byron Katie Dialogue Small excerpt QuoteBecause Katie is not doing any trained CBT here (which presents itself as a technique, not a pathway to mystical truth brokered by an awakened being), the impact of the scene as a scene must be considered. Note the benevolent aggression of Katie’s body language. She leans forward, makes intrusive eye contact, smiles in an alpha wa
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Someone named Teal Swan has her own following and has garnered many harm reports. Teal Swan recommended Byron Katie Recent article here: Discussion of Teal Swan here:
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On Celestial Reflections one commenter alleged that Teal Swan sometimes names her sources. QuoteIndeed, teal has perpetuated an idea that she has never had any training or study, formal or informal. Where I think that this raises concerns about her credibility, to many of her followers her credibility depends on all of it being revealed knowledge. It turns out that teal occasionally reads
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Why is it funny when people say a book changed their lives? sunshine Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A writer on another board shared this link: > > > > I'm creeped out by the number of EPL fans. It's > weird when women -- especially people who are > middle aged or older, educated and intelligent -- > say that Gil
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A BBC News article -- Charisma can be learned by mastering a specific set of skills. The Art and Science of Charisma QuoteCharm involves making eye contact with individuals and flashing them a smile, getting people to talk about themselves, asking personal questions and making empathic statements, whereas charismatic leaders don’t necessarily have to interact directly with the people
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Another person 'Brainwashed90' came to CEI reporting they'd had problems after exposure to the Tolle material. Ignore what discussant 'dsm' wrote. dsm turned out to be a Help Troll and was banned by the moderator. * Any time trolls arrive, especially if one or more trolls takes time as dsm did to write detailed replies, this signals that a discussion is takin
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Another trick is for the guru to be 'crazy like a fox'. QuoteI see no evidence that Byron Katie is actually nuts. Quite the opposite. She may ACT weird and strange, but that seems to be Marketing, carving out a unique identity in the glutted New Age marketplace. You gotta be different to get some attention these days. But they are running a large, international multimillionair
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Here is a quotation from Christine A Chandler's book, Enthalled: The Guru Cult of Tibetan Buddhism. (CHandler pages 108 - 111) Quote..our first Shambhala weekend, as we sat there, cross-legged on our cushions, meditating by following our breath and silently saying 'thinking' when we noticed any thoughts that arose in our minds, positive or negative, before we started to follow
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So Mooji is apparently branding his process as something called "The Invitation" now. At first, I couldn't really see what the difference was between his talks/guided meditations and this new product. But on closer inspection he appears to have just introduced 'yes-sets' (actually they start as 'no-sets' and then turn into 'yes-sets') into the conv
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Quote In addition, these people not only recruit from 12-step and other support groups Anyone who abuses 12 Step meetings to recruit for Landmark, for Byron Katie, for any guru or anything other than 12 Step programs violates these traditions. The 12 Traditions were developed specifically to prevent AA from turning into an obnoxious, personality driven cult. In AA you are free to choo
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The Steinbeck memoir sounds fascinating. Here is two readers'comment on Amazon: QuoteSome of the observations and critiques offered were very bold, fearlessly honest, and insightful. One such was the critique of Al-Anon workers being unnecessarily condescending and haughty toward Nancy at some point. She insisted on being real, and relentlessly refused to treat her husband as a di
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Things to Make and Do Go to the search button on the upper right corner of the message board window. Open it and go to the 'author search' slot. Put 'Elaine' into the author search slot and select 'all forums' and 'all dates.' There are just 5 posts by Elaine, making this quite manageable. Read them, starting from the earliest to the most rec
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