Someone who tried to break big in the Self Help industry found she could not cope with the stress. Her mistake was: she didn't have the nerve to acquire an entourage of helpers. Read here and you will get the inside scoop on the real "Secret" behind Tolle, Byron Katie, Gangaji, Mooji and -- yes. Deepak Chopra. He worries about looking fat when he makes public ap
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One woman who was into Byron Katie tried to recruit via a 12 Step group I attended. She pounced on me right when I was shaken after I confided some painful information. Luckily I already know about Cockroach Lady and her hubby, so I refused her offer. I am now sorry I did not reprimand her. Byron Katie Another member of that same meeting did attend a Katydid intro, but had
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QuotePosted by: The Anticult () Date: June 25, 2010 10:21AM By the way, this process can be very effective when an aquaintance or "friend" is pestering you about attending the LGAT seminar they are involved with. (PSI, Landmark, Byron Katie, MKP...) The "friend" repeatedly asks you to attend _____ LGAT seminar, as it "changed their life", as they are progr
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Quote Posted by: The Anticult Date: October 11, 2010 10:40AM In terms of the legal contracts they force people to sign before attending a LGAT seminar. Of course, VERBALLY they say the opposite to the contract. So a fun thing to do, is to turn the tables. Write down what they say, and cross out the other parts of the contract. Have them sit down, and explain every clause in the c
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Dialogue works equally well, if not better for manipulation, but the technique employed is certainly different. And of course, the feedback is an essential manipulation tool.
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Walter1963 wrote a lot of informative material. QuoteDate: January 18, 2011 06:16PM Gregory Bateson soon after endorsing B&G repudiated both of them and NLP when later asked about NLP stated: 'If someone says they know NLP, run don't walk away from them.' Bateson was ticked off at them because he saw the toxic direction NLP had took and that a lot of it's leadi
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Some years ago, The Anticult, a participant in this CEI message board, wrote: QuoteWhen it comes to analyzing LGAT culty groups...who's analysis can you trust? That is a very important question. As these days, there is an entire industry of Cult Apologists. There are also LGAT apologists. I make the argument there are a growing number of LGAT-cult Ambiguity-ologists! They
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Traumatic Abuse in Cults: A Psychoanalytic Perspective Small excerpt QuoteIn this volume, Traumatic Narcissism: Relational Systems of Subjugation, Daniel Shaw presents a way of understanding the traumatic impact of narcissism as it is engendered developmentally, and as it is enacted relationally. Focusing on the dynamics of narcissism in interpersonal relations, Shaw describes the relati
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Friends, some time ago, a member named The Anticult offered lessons on how to identify use of conversational trance induction. Much of The Anticult's contributions took place in discussion threads discussing Byron Katie. That discussion attracted a large number of disruptors. Wonder why? Here are a couple of The Anticult's posts to get you started. A li
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Good analogy, Corboy, the daisy. She certainly does cast herself in the best possible light. But all of "the work" is still based on your being honest with yourself--continually (not easy). Figuring out what the truth of your situation is, wanting to make the right decisions,knowing what those are. There are so many personal variables. So it seems like she's made a win-win s
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Here is an analogy. Imagine the Four Questions as a daisy flower. Put a daisy in a gold and diamond studded vase, with expert lighting. Photographs of that daisy, enhanced by all the props, will make that flower seem special. Photograph at that same flower at noon blooming among thousands like it in some vacant lot, with a few crumpled beer cans alongside. Photos of a daisy in
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Yeah. Sounds pretty hypocritical to me if they are charging that much money but you do have a point that if someone could do that they would want to share it. It's just all the evidence I've seen is against it working.
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YeleneJBean "If you could really do that with your mind why write all the books and do all the business deals. Why not just sit at home and manifest what you want :)" I guess under the guise of helping others. But if they can't actually do it themselves, it is hypocritical. To give them the benefit of the doubt, perhaps they do want to help people, but then it turns into a hug
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ultraspring Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I also don't subscribe to the idea that just > because you think something, it makes it true. Or > that not thinking it makes your suffering go away. > That just sounds to me like more positive thinking > hype veiled under another cloak. I agree. I've tried that stuff for the last couple
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b.f.m.: Speaking as someone who has appeared on Oprah twice, back in early days 1989 and 1992, before she got into all the mumbo jumbo and self-help gurus, the fact that Katie appeared on the show means nothing. Oprah has featured and promoted Dr. Oz, who appeared before congress and was berated for his quackery and false health claims. Also, Oprah featured James Arthur Ray on her "
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I also don't subscribe to the idea that just because you think something, it makes it true. Or that not thinking it makes your suffering go away. That just sounds to me like more positive thinking hype veiled under another cloak.
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Byron Katie has been on Oprah - and seems to be even partnered with her, that must say something about her caliber. Correct if I am wrong....but I think that Oprah is fairly selective about who she teams up with. She probably has an entire research department that vets people.
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I've just been newly introduced to Byron Katie by a friend. Her idea seems good about not believing everything your mind brings up (we all know how our minds can change) but I'm not sure what else she teaches and don't want to get sucked in if it's just a huge money-making operation. Also, I don't really know what's behind her philosophy. Reading these posts is h
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It appears that BK is the one who puts lots of obsessive planning into her methods. This first thread contains some material with one persons description of working for BK in the early days. More material here. And in its heyday, this thread attracted a lot of disruptors. and here.
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My sense is that both of these people started with something legitimate, but have gotten swept up in the money game. When it comes to accusations of being cults, there's always a question as to how much of it is coming from the leader, how much from the organizers of their groups, and how much from obsessive followers. Katie and Tolle have both attracted people with obsessive qualities (they
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Giving away a scholarship in public is one of BK's favorite tricks. It costs her nothing, and you still have to pay for the accommodation in a luxureous hotel. The next step is the Turnaround house ($ 20.000) for one month and then the certification program, which costs at least $ 40.000, if you add up all the mandatory programs you need to attend. So the work is free? I hardly think so.
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Friends, a well run Alanon, AA, Overeater's Anonymous, Gamblers Anonymous etc meeting must never be a place where one is pressured by any one member or by the entire group to get involved with a guru, or political movement or and LGAT. Among the Three Obstacles to Success in Alanon, there is this: Quote1. Discussions of Religion: Al?Anon is not allied with any sect or denomination.
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QuoteThis organization advertises itself as a 12-step recovery program to the public, but in reality, it is a 'deliverance ministry' based on Peter Wagners NAR agenda. Dear AtLast: You are so lucky you're out. One thing that you will be told in legitimate 12 Step groups, whether Alanon, Coda, AA, etc is, to go to as many different meetings as you can. That way, you ca
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To persons reading this thread: Two earlier discussions about Landmark from persons who have been affected in their relationships. "Re: I lost my fiancee to Landmark Education Corporation, LLC" and My husband lost his job b/c he would not do the LANDMARK FORUM One person wrote: How to evaluate contributors if you feel puzzled by them (Quote)Thin
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Part two QuoteCatherine, You say, "I don't see any gap of logics, never any." But Andrew Cohen says he is helping God evolve. How could you not see a gap in logic there? Are you being honest? It seems you are ignoring the gaps in his logic. I agree that geniuses can appear to be nuts. But Andrew is claiming to be at the cutting edge of human evolution, yet the evidence s
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A discussion of a related phenom: Eat Pr*Y Love Never take a story for granted. When your idealism, hope, attention and money are being pulled at--- ask if the story is actually serving a concealed business model. It is control of the business model and the room set up and the control of the script that empower you. A mere 'story' will not by itself empower you if it
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The sparkly eyes many gurus and 'teachers' the seemingly magical gaze -- this is mere technique. It can be learned. In an interview, Shayam Dodge, who was trained to be a guru and then renounced the role, told the interview exactly this. The following is quoted a bit out of order. Shayam told an interviewer at Elephant Journal that after he had renounced being a guru, he was dism
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Very good advice to immediately and permanently stop any communication with anyone who practices overt NLP-Hypnosis for profit. Especially anyone associated with the Tony Robbins companies, as they are constantly messing with your mind using very advanced techniques of persuasion. Of course these days people are doing it COVERTLY so its difficult to know who is doing what, which is their poin
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For persons new to this message thread, here is a list of important posts Wedding rings. This will not happen at a one day event. But if you are beguiled to go to longer events, this is discussed on earlier posts made to this thread. Analysis of 'A Thousand Names for Joy' (Scroll down list and read) Mind Cleanse Turnaround House Confidentiality Agreements
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