It seems like more people get kicked out of the group, then leave voluntarily. Dave likes to apply "tough love" and make examples of those who have displeased him. Fear is what keeps members in the group. Fear is the glue that holds Dave's cult together. Dave has a small group of people, he tried to live vicariously through. He is showing no signs of slowing down, much less st
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Evidence that Dave sees himself as leading the true believers into the fray, is abundant in his writings (via the Jesus Christians' website). I'll bring this choice quote out again: As we really do get closer to God, and as that of God begins to shine forth from us, there is going to be a different sort of a light that comes, which may actually be symbolised by those saints who were
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Malcolm, I do realize that Kevin was kicked out of the group as part of the 1998 split, and did not leave voluntarily. Kevin didn't leave the cult because he wanted to, but because he was forced to. In the case of Gary, I understand he left on his own. Their (the sons') overall agenda is very personal in nature; I think it really comes back to the split. Kevin wants Dave to ad
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17 December 1944, yes. God willing, he'll be 76 soon. Dave is active and mentally alert enough to keep making videos and preying on young people, that is for sure. And if his sons think he's just going to stop being a psychopath, then they must be as delusional as he is. “Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said; Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without
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ImagoDei Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hello all, I joined this forum specifically to > contribute to this thread and learn as much as > possible. I am a reformed Christian who was > formerly active in the occult and New Age and am > passionate about refuting false teachings / > teachers. > > I had my first encounter with a Jes
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What do you think is next for Dave, sir? What do you see as being the future of the cult?
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Dave's teachings are thoroughly, thoroughly unoriginal and derivative. I just found this: Jesuism, also called Jesusism or Jesuanism, is the teachings of Jesus in distinction to the teachings of mainstream Christianity. In particular, the term is often contrasted with Pauline Christianity and mainstream church dogma. The term Jesuism was coined by the late 1800s. It is derived from Je
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Thank you for this. What about talk of starships to Heaven, the New Jerusalem being in a hidden dimension, science fiction stuff like that? Did you ever hear that kind of talk from Dave, sir? “Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said; Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? Gird up now thy loins like a man: for I will demand of thee and answer thou me.
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Well, well, well. Look at what we have here. It's Dave's mum's obituary. She was an officer in the Salvation Army, no less. She was reportedly a rather aweful manipulator herself, and was able to pit one son against the other. We also learnt that she never approved of Dave's life choices and very much did not like the person he'd become, as an adult. One can see in c
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This is from last December; I just found this. Last December, Dave was hunger striking in order to bring attention to climate change. Well, he's obviously still alive. Besides, the Bible, as well as the Jesus Christians' own teachings, state that the Earth will be destroyed "by fire" (probably meaning nuclear war, according to Dave), and not by climate change. This world is
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Dave's modus operandi is more or less the same as other types of sexual sadists: domination, manipulation, and control. He does all of this to show us how bright and clover he thinks he is. He enjoys the attention. Dave is a highly obsessive-compulsive personality who believes himself smarter than the rest of the world; he's a psychopath. Dave's overriding motivation is pleasur
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This is sick. It's so ironic that Dave is using this video to attract kids to his cult, when the reality is that many of the people in the video (like the Gianstefanis, Grace, and Paul) were kicked out of the same group. The very man who wrote the song (Ross Parry) was kicked out of the group, for questioning Dave. Dave is using this videos to lure kids, kids from whom he tries to hide the
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Now two things will come out: 1) I will write to Dave directly and personally, and 2) I will tell a little about myself, in order to tell everybody why I am here,writing on this message board. Personally, I am celibate (as the group is) and am also a vegetarian (as Cherry, Dave's wife, is). I am not married and my personal life is very monastic in nature. I do not gamble, or associate wi
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It is abundantly clear that the only "Voice" that Dave wants his disciples to hear, listen to, and promote, is his own. From "Something to Say" (emphasis added by myself): I believe that the members of our community are largely convinced that they have a special message from God himself. It just happens that it has come first through me. They are happy to repeat it in thei
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Here is yet another connection to Heaven's Gate (along with the sci-fi Armageddon starship that Dave goes on about, and the stuff about the Two Witnesses): it has been reported members of the Jesus Christians wear wedding rings (regardless of their marital status) in order to demonstrate that they are married to Jesus. The members of Heaven’s Gate all wore wedding rings, as well, to signify
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A matter of particular concern to us is that professional cult-busters (who we have reason to believe have been brought into this by her father) have a fairly high record of success in brainwashing people against groups if they are able to get the person before they have had deep personal involvement in the group. The reason for this is that the cult-busters start by doing much like Fred has alre
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Here's a little more: this is such a bizarre article, "Keeping the 144k Vision". It's as if Dave's favorite topics are Armageddon, and masturbation. He's preoccupied with these topics. There's just something disturbing about an elderly man so openly promoting masturbation, to teenagers. He must get some kind of perverted thrill out of it. Sex and death: Dave
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Dave's "Virgin Army" teaching draws on teachings from the book of Revelation 11:1-14 and both literalises, and symbolises it to make it fit his particular slant. The literal interpretation is that members should remain single; if they have to get married then they are encouraged to not have children. Many male members receive vasectomies, as result of this teaching. Children are
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Over and over and over the (not-so-subtle) message in the Jesus Christians' teachings comes through: "everybody in all of Christendom is a hypocrite and a reprobate, except for members of our group". What a cynical, judgmental, inhumane outlook on the world that is. The cruelty, the arrogance! Everywhere we find people engaged in almost any topic or activity that will numb the
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"We're Right and They're Wrong" Anything done in a sincere desire to serve and obey God becomes good and right, no matter how wrong or foolish it may appear to be to human eyes; and anything not done in obedience to God becomes evil, no matter how impressive it may be to human understanding. This is a frightening teaching, for it can be used to justify anything, even mur
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Dave McKay: offended by everything, ashamed of nothing. :-) "In every dream home a heartache And every step I take Takes me further from heaven Is there a heaven? I'd like to think so Standards of living They're rising daily But home oh sweet home It's only a saying From bell push to faucet In smart town apartment The cottage is pretty The main house a pala
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Correction: WHAT it comes down to, is that here we have a small group of people, all of whom (to varying degrees) are caught up in trying to be Dave McKay. He's got these people in his grip, and he knows it.
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A little more...I've studied your body of work, Dave. I've done so for a long time. I know you. The way I interpret this, is that it is a threat. These are not allusions; these are outright threats: As we really do get closer to God, and as that of God begins to shine forth from us, there is going to be a different sort of a light that comes, which may actually be symbolised by
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People choose to be deceived. When they find truth too uncomfortable or too expensive, they begin shopping for cheaper imitations to take the place of what they have rejected. After the choice has been made, myths can become progressively more absurd, and people will continue to accept them rather than return to what they first rejected. A sensational illustration occurred in Jonestown, Guyan
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Dave McKay won a trip around the world in 1962, as the U.S. 'Newsboy of the Year'. The trip was sponsored by Qantas Airlines, and it featured five days in Sydney. McKay, who married his high school sweetheart, Cherry, when they were both still in their teens, returned to Australia, to live there with his young wife in 1967. They now have dual citizenship (American and Australian). In 1
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Dave has always admired martyrs who behave provocatively - the Buddhists who set themselves on fire to protest the war in Vietnam, and so on. In fact, he once seriously considered setting himself on fire, in India, when a local orphanage was threatened with -closure. More recently, when Abu Sayyaf guerrillas took 25 people hostage in the Philippines, Dave offered himself in their place, and tried
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Here's another amazingly hypocritical quote from Dave McKay: "I've said this before, but it needs to be said again: The basic difference in the relationship between Christian leaders and followers is that the leader's first responsibility is to love the follower, and the follower's first responsibility is to trust the leader. If you switch these over, there will be pro
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Dave McKay on Stanley Milgram, and obedience to real or perceived authority: ...I promised myself that I would never be so gullible as to carry out orders that contradicted my conscience. I would have the courage to disobey. However, I was shocked to see that my fellow classmates were hardly affected at all by what they had learned from reading about the experiment. There was abundant evidence
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One more post today, then that's all for now. It seems to me that what Dave does to those who get trapped in his "web", is just like what the spider does to the fly in the poem "The Spider and the Fly" by Howitt (1829). ) "Will you walk into my parlour?" said a spider to a fly; " 'Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy. T
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Do you know why the comments are blocked for all of the JCs' videos? It's because they are all designed for kids, and YouTube does not allow comments to be made in videos made for kids. These videos are aimed at CHILDREN; kids are the intended audience for the YouTube channel called "A Voice in the Desert". Here are a few notes about this (above) video, which is entit
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