The Jesus Christians' doctrine and teachings are in the vein of a school of Biblical thought called "Jesuism", the origins of which were in the United States in the late nineteenth century. The fact is, that Dave McKay did not discover some Truth that "the churches" are blinded to; Dave McKay was not the first person by any means to place a legalistic emphasis on the red
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They posted this video (above) earlier today. It's called "Will Christians Take the Mark of the Beast?" At 4:34, 1 Timothy 4 is referenced. So they are prepared for somebody referencing this verse, when engaged in dialog with somebody. They've all read 1 Timothy 4, themselves, and have been well-indoctrinated with Dave's interpretation of it. For example: J
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Malcolm Wesley WREST Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Insightful analysis there, Whirlwind. > > It is possible to actually precisely describe the > methods that David McKay employs to falsely impugn > those who wishes to remove or denigrate.... > > He (constantly) describes individuals as > 'suffering from 'bitterness�
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Malcolm Wesley WREST Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Insightful analysis there, Whirlwind. > > It is possible to actually precisely describe the > methods that David McKay employs to falsely impugn > those who wishes to remove or denigrate.... However: if I DO understand your question, Malcolm, I will answer by simply cutting and pasting f
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Malcolm Wesley WREST Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Insightful analysis there, Whirlwind. > > It is possible to actually precisely describe the > methods that David McKay employs to falsely impugn > those who wishes to remove or denigrate.... > Thank you, Malcolm. I am not sure that I understand your question. Can you please rephra
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A little more... Dave McKay is a modern-day Diotrephes. He exhibits all the characteristics of "Diotrophes Syndrome". It fits Dave like a hand in a glove. More on Diotrephes here: Executing an Evil Strategy Well The solution is to level a charge that is improvable, and most importantly, is impossible from which to repent. Among church power brokers the favored charge is
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A few thoughts, from the Bible... The Apostle Pal wrote (1 Corinthians 3:1-9): But I, brothers, could not address you as spiritual people, but as people of the flesh, as infants in Christ. I fed you with milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it. And even now you are not yet ready, for you are still of the flesh. For while there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not of th
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Classic cultic thought patterns, textbook stuff: "Nothing is wrong with the group and/or its leadership, since they are incapable of being wrong; something must be wrong with ME". “Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said; Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? Gird up now thy loins like a man: for I will demand of thee and answer thou me.”
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ImagoDei Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I am fairly certain the user that posted what I > quoted is a disciple of McKay. At the very least, > they spend majority of their time on Reddit > spreading David's theology and linking to A Voice > in the Desert (AVID). AVID, End Time Survivors, > and The Mark of the Beast are all YouTube ch
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The Whirlwind Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > One of the people featured in this video (I will > not identify them by name) got kicked out of the > group about ten years ago, and is now a nurse who > lives in the Pacific Northwest. This is NOT a > recent production by any means. "No compromise" > indeed. Today, they're wo
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Malcolm Wesley WREST Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks Imagodei for going to this all this > trouble.... If I can ever assist you at all here > (just let me know) otherwise no one can do any > more than you are doing! I second that. If there is anything I can do to help, then please let me know. Imagodei, please tell me (either here
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One of the people featured in this video (I will not identify them by name) got kicked out of the group about ten years ago, and is now a nurse who lives in the Pacific Northwest. This is NOT a recent production by any means. "No compromise" indeed. Today, they're working a system job like everybody else. Once again, Dave is using the work of somebody who he kicked out of the g
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Yes: thank you, Imagodei, for your attention, concern, and help. See, it's less my prerogative to try to "reach" those who are in the group, to try to persuade them to leave Dave's association. In my experience, that approach is basically an exercise in futility. But have at it; I do not mean to discourage you from trying to dialog with them. If you can "reach"
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ImagoDei Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I found this recent post on /r/GetDisciplined that > really troubles me. > > QuoteUser on Reddit > Warning: sounds religious and extreme but it > works > > I was shocked when I read what Jesus is quoted as > having said in the bible, "if your right hand > causes you to stumble,
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The Jesus Christians had an Australian Business Number: 78 622 540 509. This was a relatively new number for business dealings with the Australian Tax Office and with government agencies at all levels. An ABN is needed to register for GST and other elements of the new tax system. The Jesus Christians ABN was registered on the 8 September 2000 and was cancelled from 31 Aug 2016. I wond
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Malcolm Wesley WREST Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It would be worthwhile having a 'normal' > perspective on Christianity created somewhere > (outside the Cult Education Institute..that is not > the role of this board) that was accessible to > readers of 'Reddit' and 'Quorum' as a resource.... The Interactive
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CORRECTION (I am a stickler about proper editing): Personally, I always interpreted the "forgive me this wrong" part as Paul using sarcasm, hyperbole, and not as him seriously asking for forgiveness. It's as if he was saying "I'm so sorry about not depending on you like a bum, guys" as he ROLLED his eyes. Paul was being sarcastic, when he wrote that. Paul's l
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You are welcome, for the information. It's my pleasure. I thank you, for the same. Those passages in Acts 2 and Acts 4 are descriptive in nature, and not prescriptive in nature. It's giving us a historical account of how the early Christians lived, and it's not telling us how we ought to be living today. I recall that one Jesus Christian article, though, called "The Ten
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corboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > When reaching out to persons involved in COG, > perhaps another way would be to emphasize who > stands to gain. > > Jesus told the rich young man that to be perfect, > he should give his possessions *to the poor* then > follow Jesus. Jesus did not say give to me, he > said give to the poor.
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ImagoDei Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > QuoteMalcolm Wesley WREST > > What topic did you find them under, in 'Reddit', > may I ask? > > > This is not comprehensive, but using the two > verses I quoted above, I found 6 users who have > started threads in the following subreddits: > > Christianity, philosophy
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PS: Even if there is no "final exit" for Dave, some of his people may choose to "graduate" themselves, though. He'd be too much of a coward to "cross over" himself. He'd just watch them do it. Of course, there is the possibility that Dave may actually "exit" himself, too. Marshall Applewhite was not the first one of his group to have himself ca
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Malcolm Wesley WREST Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ...thus Kevin threatened David's dearest > treasure....the cult that represents HIM...David's > lifework...) > > > The fact that Kevin and the others who with > him....'drew a line in the sand' with McKay...will > always his to be his....and their credit.
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A leopard never changes it's spots, Malcolm, and an old dog like Dave can't learn new tricks. The Jesus Christians cover these very topics (in terms of what animal in the Revelation represents what), in the below video which is called "Black Lives Matter, the UN, and the Leopard in Bible Prophecy". I'm not sure if they are trying to say that BLM represents the fulfillme
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Here's another very revealing quote, relating to the split, that Dave made it easy to find. This was written about six months after the split. How ironic, in that Dave himself is the least tolerant of criticism of himself and the way he does things. "Greedbuster$", by the way, did not last long, just a short while before they all went their separate ways and into system jobs. I
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After the 1998 split, Kevin and his cohort reorganized and formed a new group, which they called "Greedbuster$". Their old web page is here; you can see that it is very similar in style and content to the Jesus Christians' web page. This is a brief history of Dave McKay's group, from the early Eighties to about 1998. "The Split. I wish they'd write a book.
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One other thing: I do not spend hours and hours and hours studying Dave's written work to find these quotes. I do not have the time, nor the stomach, for that. Here's my secret: all I do is read the quotes which flash, one after another, on the Jesus Christians' home page. That's how I found that "Blood of the Lamb" article (above). Dave does not make it hard to f
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It seems to me that when Dave writes things like this, he is gradually conditioning his people to be able to cheerfully accept a "final exit" for himself and the group. I just have this gut-level feeling, an intuition that this group will meet with a Heaven's Gate-ish tragic end. Emphasis added by myself: "But the final test is our willingness to face the "last enemy
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Dave can be demonstrated as a fraud with respect to his account of his supposed COG days, which I shall now demonstrate to be largely fictitious, taking into consideration of course the fact that COG did not keep records. There are so many holes in Dave’s story, in the time lines, that when one takes a closer look that the only conclusion that one can logically come up with is that Dave is pretty
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COG Bible names used by the, "McKay Family" - July 1973: Tyrannus - Dave Lebanon - Cherry Simon - Kevin Deborah - Sheri Bartimaeus - Gary Tabitha - Christine “Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said; Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? Gird up now thy loins like a man: for I will demand of thee and answer thou me.”
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Dave could have gone to jail a long time ago if not for Kevin, Malcolm! The sons are just enablers! I predict that Dave will try once last big publicity stunt, that is even more dangerous than the kidney thing. Then people will start to die. Kevin will have blood on his hands. He could have done something to prevent a tragedy, and chose to not do so. “Then the Lord answered Job out of t
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