"Alan (a 65 year old member) was kicked out of the underground community directly on Dave's orders in February 2011 for refusing to take his wife to court to sue her for more money in a divorce settlement over the sale of their house. Alan disagreed with Dave's plan to go to court to fight his wife for a larger share of their assets and decided he would rather accept the substant
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In 2010, Dave put out the four oldest members of the Jesus Christians: Sue (24 years with the group), Roland (29 years with the group), Ross (thirty years with the group), and Alan (three years with the group). Their offense, was questioning Dave's authority. Then Dave takes the group underground and starts again, building up a YouTube presence and rebranding the group with a younger, fres
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Go to 34:05 RONSON (VO): I think it’s impossible to be objective about the kidneys. Your opinion changes in relation to the way Dave chooses to take hold of your life. Leisel’s life has been shattered, so she can see little good in it. Cut to LEISEL: Like, you know, there’s no real plan. Like this kidney thing came to him suddenly so there’s not really any plan for the future here. He can
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To whom it may concern: I believe that I have gotten into Dave's head. In a sense, I know him better than he knows himself; I have come to understand him intimately. I have learned to think as Dave thinks, and it's frankly terrifying. I have profiled Dave as if I was an FBI agent. I believe that I have fully apprehended Dave's mind. I believe that I fully understand him and h
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"I believe the real truth of the matter was that Dave had launched a very authoritarian push to remove anyone, particularly mature Christians, who might disagree with him. I believe his real motive was to take the community underground so that he could "educate" them with as little disagreement as possible. Anyone who disagreed with this new policy was shunned. This behavior by
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"FLEE AMERICA! Come Out of Her, My People!" Here are a few more notes on this video: I could poke holes in this video all day long. That was a direct misquote (at 1:19) about Sodom and Gomorrah. Jesus said (Matthew 27:37) "But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." And I get where Dave is coming from, BUT should we not be ‘in the
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You are very welcome for the information, and for the reply. Here are ten criteria by which an unsafe group or leader can be discerned. Please read this and judge for yourself whether Denlinger is a "cult leader". Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader. 1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. 2. No tolerance for questions or critica
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"FLEE AMERICA! Come Out of Her, My People!" This is a noteworthy video; I just sussed this out. They say that last fall (of 2019), they were led by God to leave the Unites States. Less than six months later, in March of 2020, the virus comes along and everything worldwide gets locked down (so to speak). It's an interesting coincidence, to be sure, but it's just that:
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PS: his mother (if that is indeed a picture of Dave's mum) looks like such a sweet woman. One wonders, however, why it is that his father "Mac" was not in the (attached) picture too? "Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? On what were its f
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Here (attached) is a photograph of a person who is believed to be Dave McKay (on the far right) with his mother and brothers. Dave was a handsome little devil. "Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerst
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Congratulations are in order! We just realised that Dave and Cherry's 56th wedding anniversary was just a couple of days ago, on the 24th of this month. McKay married his high school sweetheart, Sherian (Cherry) when they were both still in their teens on 24 July 1964 in Yolo County, California. Dave was born on 17 December 1944, so he would have been aged nineteen years, at the time. Ha
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7:21. Dave is a liar. He does not live "on the streets". He lives a very comfortable life, in Australian public housing, with his wife. Living on the streets, my arse. Jesus Christians members live under constant fear and are scared to death. Fear is what holds them in the "community." Dave instills intense fear in his members. Jesus Christians' day to day life
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Here are some notes one Dave's obsession with "Empowerment Charts" and "Mental Graphs". Dave apparently has something of a compulsion to graph and chart everything. This is a clever device, perhaps too clever for Dave; he probably lifted the practice from someplace, and then incorporated it into his group. Dave will find out what someone's little (or big) weakne
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The way I see it, the Jesus Christians really do not know what they believe, other than that 1) They are personally and spiritually superior to the rest of The Church, as well as to society in general and 2) (related to 1) that everybody is a hypocrite except for them. Jesus Christian belief and world view seem to pretty much boil down to those two points. The Jesus Christians' members li
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"This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you—if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. For an overseer, as God's steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drun
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"My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment." --James 3:1 (NKJV) "The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,not a drunkard, not
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Dave encourages his disciples to donate their kidneys, lobes of their livers and lungs, the females their eggs, etc. The international law enforcement community is aware of Dave McKay and his group's activities. The FBI and Australian law enforcement are aware of the group. Dave and his wife live in Australian public housing, and both receive pensions from the Australian government. Not muc
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Here is a little more: The Jesus Christians' teachings say that they do not believe in a "clergy class" of Christian believers, but instead in "the priesthood of every believer". "And now one final thought to put this whole study into perspective. We believe in the "priesthood of every believer". In other words, we are all spiritual leaders. Our leade
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The Whirlwind Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Here is my psychological analysis, my profile of > Dave McKay: Dave has become too seduced by the > specialness of his "calling". He takes your > attention away from real issues which make you > feel weak and vulnerable as a human being, and > replaces them with a sort of pseudo-sens
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"What it boils down to, is that DM hates anything or anybody that he cannot control. DM derives pleasure from manipulating people, period. If he figures he can take someone down the garden path by exploiting some ambiguity of language, then he will. But if that doesn't work, he has no problem with out and out deceit. It doesn't matter to him, the only point is to get a reaction. Hi
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Of course international the law enforcement community is aware of Dave McKay and his group's activities. The FBI and Australian law enforcement are aware of the group. Dave and his wife live in Australian public housing, and both receive pensions from the Australian government. Not much can be done, because Dave is careful to (generally) stay on the right side of the law. But he is openl
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The below article serves as an example of how Dave takes your attention away from real issues which make you feel weak and vulnerable as a human being, and replaces them with a sort of pseudo-sense of being somebody special who is doing a special thing. It's called, "Those Other Apostles". "Maybe you feel at times like Peter, James, and John are such superstars that they a
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Here is my psychological analysis, my profile of Dave McKay: Dave has become too seduced by the specialness of his "calling". He takes your attention away from real issues which make you feel weak and vulnerable as a human being, and replaces them with a sort of pseudo-sense of being somebody special who is doing a special thing. Dave long ago drifted into a state of amorality, and lo
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In the clip below, at 5:42, Jeremy Kyle remarks that it strikes him as sad that an organization like Dave McKay's would get in the way of parents and their children maintaining a relationship throughout their lives. Dave responds by accusing Liesel of lying and being a bad mother. Jeremy Kyle tells him (8:24) that he cannot control every aspect of the show. Dave's cold, accusatory, hy
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"Kidneys for Jesus": this is a very good documentary video, in which we see Dave McKay's true colors come out. Go to the thirty-five minute-mark. Dave is saying that he will let this woman Christine die, just to spite Jon Ronson. Is that what Jesus would do? What kind of wholesome Christian leader would do such a thing? "Where were you when I laid the earth’s founda
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"A Voice in the Desert", aka the "Jesus Christians", "Truth Believers" and "End Times Survivors" is a cult that has a YouTube presence and which uses it in order to recruit, often recruiting minors. They have different names, but it's all the same group and it's all controlled by one man: Dave McKay. Minors are groomed for induction into the gro
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Please note the man in this video, on the bicycle, who is facing Mr. Rooney, at 13:28: His name is Thomas, and he is the one who told us about Dave McKay and Jim Roberts' meeting in 1990. In fact, Thomas was there, present when that happened. Gotcha, Dave. :-) "Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Su
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The Jesus Christians are pretty much the Australian equivalent of the Roberts group, with three major differences: 1) The Roberts group limited their activities (as far as I know) to North America and Northern Mexico, whereas the McKay group is international, 2) the McKay group uses the Internet, makes videos, and actively recruits online. The Roberts group (again, as far as I know) did not do th
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Dave makes allusions to death, martyrdom, and suicide all over the place in his writings. It's never explicit; one has to read between the lines a bit. But when you study his writings, you will notice this pattern. This is this subtle undertone of violence and death all throughout his writings. He writes about death a lot. "This willingness by dissidents, to die befor
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CORRECTION: Dave McKay never stopped; he never even slowed down. He just got sneakier and even more devious. Why does he distort his voice in recordings, I wonder? And how was this young woman "imprisoned"? She's on a remote ranch, a hundred kilometres from nowhere. If anybody truly wanted to keep her against HER will, then it would have been easy to do so. So this "Texas Ranc
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