Hare Krsnas (in North America) don't really "recruit" like they used to in the old days. Back then (late Sixties/early Seventies) the vast majority of devotees (like ninety-nine percent of them) lived in temples and anybody who did not live in a temple (on the whole) was not considered a devotee. Today, in 2020, it's just the opposite; ninety-nine percent of Hare Krsnas liv
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ISKCON is an organization that I am very knowledgeable about. Ask me anything.
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Here's another way of looking at it: the ISKCON Disciple Course, which prospective initiates must take and be tested on before being awarded diksa (initiation, in other words) does not mention a belief in a flat Earth as a necessary prerequisite for being initiated. ISKCON has been using the Disciple Course for the last five years or so. So no, it's not true that sincere Hare Krishnas
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No, this is not true. The bhu-mandala is flat, but the planet we inhabit is spherical. The Surya Siddhanta confirms this.
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I have been reporting the posts they make in each subreddit and messaging the mod teams to alert them of the group and their behavior. The fact that they've openly taught that one should harm themselves as a means to build discipline in resisting temptation is coming back to bite them in the rear and I've been including it in every message to the mods. The first link is a p
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Greetings. I tried engaging with one of the Reddit users I mentioned in a previous post. They told me that their friends (people they live with) have told them that conversations with me are unfruitful, which is why they are not engaging with me in a discussion. I find it interesting, because this user told me: "I would still encourage you to see what the Jesus Christian community is t
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corboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > ISKON What I learned: Women Sex and Children > > > Actually, it's "ISKCON", not "ISKON". You'd come across as a more credible and well-informed source of information, if you spelled the name if the cult right. Just sayin'. :-)
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Interesting. The YouTube channel "Truth Convoy", which is supportive of the Jesus Christians and the McKays, has gone quiet. That crazy wench has not made any new videos in over six weeks. I wonder why. Maybe she's done the world a favor, and left it (as in, hopefully she has passed away). “Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said; Who is this that darkeneth
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Malcolm Wesley WREST Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thank you Whirlwind, > > I think (hope?) that the majority of those who > donated a kidney...live to a 'healthy old age' and > that their gift was ultimately genuine (..and was > not provided primarily out of a wish to either > fund or advertise McKay).... > > ...
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The Whirlwind Wrote: > > Malcolm, you are the only former member who I know > of who is willing to do anything publicly about > Dave McKay and his cult. All of the rest of them, > in my experience, 1) were (like the Gianstefanis) > either kicked out of the group, and are still > somewhat sympathetic to the the group (this type > will not call it a cult at all) or
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Malcolm Wesley WREST Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It would be 'nice' to find someone who has emerged > out of their time spent with the JesusChristians > and who has somehow managed to stay a little more > than psychologically 'damaged goods'.... Malcolm, you are the only former member who I know of who is willing to do a
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More on the Gianstefanis here:
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Malcolm Wesley WREST Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks Whirlwind.....is this the group in > Australia (Kevin and his companions)? No that was > 1998 wasn't it? Boyd and Sherry were quietly > 'removed' earlier weren't they... the group in > England then? > > (It's difficult to keep track of all the > i
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ImagoDei Wrote: > The JC's like to use a link shortener when linking > to AVID or other associated channels, so I ran a > search for recent posts that included "bit.ly" and > found those six (as well as the ones mentioned > above). I only went 6 months back, so there may be > more. Please tell us (for the sake of the less savvy): what is a "link sh
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For some strange reason, the link will not properly post to this page. So what I'll do, is separate the URL into two chunks, and will leave it to the reader to cut and paste them, and combine them into one URL. Here are the two pieces: /home/not-for-everyone-by-anonymous- Cut and paste the two together, and you'll have a link that takes you to a sort of "hidden page&quo
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I just realized the above link is broken. But it's odd, because I cannot seem to fix it. It's something about the URL that is not fix-able. Hmmmmm...sneaky of them.
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"Not for Everyone" by Anonymous is the same book as Armageddon for Beginners by Dave Mckay (leader of the Jesus Christians). The Jesus Christians have changed their name both as an organisation and individually, but they are still distributing the same books with different front covers to attempt to hide their past and be less traceable online. The ISBN of both books is: 9966-755-14
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ImagoDei Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I know for certain "A Voice in the Desert", "End > Times Survivors", and "The Mark of the Beast" > channels are all ran by the JC's, as well as their > Spanish AVID channel. > > I cannot say for certain whether all channels > listed under the "Channels&qu
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"A Voice in the Desert" is their main channel: There's also "End Times Survivors": If you look in the "featured channels" section of either channel, you'll find a number of other channels associated wit these ("Cómo Vivir Por Fe", the Spanish-language channel, "Radically New Life", and others). What kind of "counter
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"A Voice in the Desert" is their main channel: There's also "End Times Survivors": If you look in the "featured channels" section of either channel, you'll find a number of other channels associated wit these ("Cómo Vivir Por Fe", the Spanish-language channel, "Radically New Life", and others). What kind of "counter
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Here are the 6 users that are promoting the theology of David McKay / the Jesus Christians: My first interaction with them was with GodOrMoney. Later I will screen cap our conversations for all to read. I found the other 5 from searching the 2 verses GodOrMoney stressed, Luke 14:33 and Matthew 6:24. In the next few days, I'll see if I can find some more using other
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Dave McKay seems to believe the Lord Jesus needs Dave McKay to interpret His teachings for the masses, on His behalf. Dave is quite mistaken about that. Do you know how big God's creation is, Dave? It is very big; you cannot fathom just how big it is. This material world contains an almost infinite number of universes, and the individual universes are themselves so large, and contain s
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Thank you for your insights here, Malcolm. To me, the matter hinges on the doctrine of the Trinity, and whether or not Dave believes in it, Malcolm. He equivocates on this matter, but in my sight it's key. I will repeat: a) If the Trinity is true, and Jesus is God in the flesh, then the entire Bible are "the teachings of Jesus", and the red letters are not to be emphasized
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The Whirlwind Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Also: I stand by what I wrote about the Trinity > bit, Malcolm. Here's how I see it; I am trying to > think like a Jesus Christian here, but it's hard > for me. > > a) If the Trinity is true, and Jesus is God in > the flesh, then the entire Bible are "the > teachings o
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Malcolm Wesley WREST Wrote: > ...the scriptural support for this approach would > the Parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10 25 ; > 37) or the 'Sheep and the Goats' passage in > Matthew 25 where absolutely NO requirement is set > that individuals hold the 'right theology'....ONLY > that they live out the 'right behaviour'.... Yes, this pr
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Also: I stand by what I wrote about the Trinity bit, Malcolm. Here's how I see it; I am trying to think like a Jesus Christian here, but it's hard for me. a) If the Trinity is true, and Jesus is God in the flesh, then the entire Bible are "the teachings of Jesus", and the red letters are not to be emphasized so much. This contradicts Dave's teachings, since Dave pla
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Malcolm Wesley WREST Wrote: > The doctrine of the trinity would fall into the > same category of questionable if not completely > worthless religious 'knowledge' within the > JesusChristians.... > > ...the scriptural support for this approach would > the Parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10 25 ; > 37) or the 'Sheep and the Goats' passage in
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Addendum: it'd be more accurate to state that the Jesus Christians do not reject the doctrine of the Trinity, rather than to say that they accept it. But let's say that the Trinity is something that an individual Jesus Christian believes in. The logical consequence of this, is still that the entire Bible are the words of Jesus! Then let's say, on the other hand, that an indivi
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Or here's another way of looking at it: the Jesus Christians say that they believe in the Trinity. That is, they believe that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is also God. A Triune Godhead. The Bible is not the Word of God; JESUS is the Word of God (John 1). Agreed. BUT, the Bible is inspired by God, it is "God-breathed". (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
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"Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, like some people, letters of recommendation to you or from you? You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everyone. You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
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