I feel the need to once again re-post the key points about what TZM "IS' and "IS NOT". All this chasing around various ways that James and others just re-post things that were already debunked in different ways is tedious. I looked over the list of warning signs and considered doing a much longer post about this, but I realized it really was not necessary. So I am going to
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Several times on this forum I and other users have made post using the Quote feature and it's maybe fifty fifty that your going to get an actual quote seperation, or just the Quote language being around your text. QuoteThis would be an example of what it looks like instead of quoting. (I used the above incorrect code for the end quote on purpose so that it didn't just randomly de
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Because the quote function seems to be messed up half the time on this message board, I went back and tried to put his statements all in bold. Quotejames kush1. A charismatic leader, who increasingly becomes an object of worship as the general principles that may have originally sustained the group lose power. Jacque Fresco's birthday has been made into the zeitgeist holiday called ZD
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Is there a reason the quote feature only works half the time on this forum? I just spent a lot of time trying to make that post clear and now people have to try and figure out where I am speaking and where James is speaking by going between the Quote statements.
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Quotejames kush1. A charismatic leader, who increasingly becomes an object of worship as the general principles that may have originally sustained the group lose power. Jacque Fresco's birthday has been made into the zeitgeist holiday called ZDAY. This is fact. VTV, your answer to this allegation was that you were never made aware. That doesn't change the fact. In fact, members k
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QuoteE.P. GrondineOne sure sign of a cult is the lies. What is Peter James real name? And about where this nonsense came from: They got this stuff at first from David Hatcher Childress (Adventures Unlimited Press, with a convenient location in Cottonwood, Arizona, just up the road from Tucson) and Duncan Roads ((Muhamar Qadafi's Man in Melbourne, NEXUS). Check the links: Acariya
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I have yet to tell anyone they should not be allowed to see their children.
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Respectfully corboy, what is it your trying to get at there? I didn't see anything in all of that stuff that has anything to do with T-Shirts. I would also point out that people make mistakes on huge internet forums all the time.
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QuotecorboyWant a hoodie to show where your head's at? It gets warm on the Playa. There's even a 'onsie' for your baby Quotejacque fresco Gifts Related Searches: Resourced Based Economy merchandise, Peter Joseph gear, RBE gift, TZM apparel, The Venus Project clothing, The Zeitgeist Movement gifts, TVP stuff, Zeitgeist merchandise, NJ gear You've come to th
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QuoteI saidHe has now gone on to state that I am dangerous, to myself, and the world, and apparently my children. QuotePrometheusAll of which is true. Moderators, please consider the above statement a violation of the mandate just laid down to cease personal attacks.
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Prometheus, He asked you to prove we are a cult and you repeated several times that your real problem was that we banned you from the forum. You could spend thirty days trying to come up with something, but you are never going to prove that we engage in anything in the three points he suggested. And the reason why is because we don't do any of those things. I am interested to see what
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I would like to answer you, but there is something wrong with the coding of this forum, have the time quotes work, and half the time they don't. If you want information about their financial stuff, you can inquire with the IRS like everyone else. Answered the issue about people showing the movie on a military base. We have no control over what portions of the film people show. It is
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QuotecorboyOmitting to Show a Very Important Part of Zeitgeist Addendum Post #95985 Re:Questions For Jacque Fresco and Roxanne Meadows and the Answ 1 Year, 11 Months ago QuoteI am a new member and an mddle aged mom and student. Consider sending your kids to private Liberal Arts Colleges, such as Chapman University. This is where I first heard about and saw part of Zeitgeist Addendum. So
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Quotejames kushAgain, Lifton defined a cult as having the following three characteristics: 1. A charismatic leader, who increasingly becomes an object of worship as the general principles that may have originally sustained the group lose power. Jacque Fresco birthday is a global holiday for Zeitgeist called ZDAY. Interesting. I know Jacque Fresco very well and was not aware of this. An
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Quotejames kushAgain, Lifton defined a cult as having the following three characteristics: 1. A charismatic leader, who increasingly becomes an object of worship as the general principles that may have originally sustained the group lose power. Jacque Fresco birthday is a global holiday for Zeitgeist called ZDAY. Interesting. I know Jacque Fresco very well and was not aware of this. An
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Would the following statements made by Mr. Wish be considered personal attack? Or would you at least address how over the line they are? QuoteDavidWish Make no mistake about it. We are not associating your group by any casually chosen definition of the word “cult”. In your case, the word is abuse. Pure and simple. Yes, your group is a cult, but is a “certain” kind of one. An “abusive” one w
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QuoteDavidI was answering the stated reasons in regarding psychiatrist's Robert Jay Lifton’s book about thought reform. Make no mistake about it. We are not associating your group by any casually chosen definition of the word “cult”. In your case, the word is abuse. Pure and simple. Yes, your group is a cult, but is a “certain” kind of one. An “abusive” one with thought reform. So, not
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QuotecorboyRegarding ZM, I have not yet found any reliable descriptions or complaints that ZM fits the criteria given by Robert J Lifton, the psychiatrist whose studies represent the standard for assessing these matters. The information we have so far is the following: 1) ZM groups deleted by German equivalent of Facebook. What I think is telling is how little sensitivity the discussants h
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Quotecorboyhttp://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,98081,98374#msg-98374 QuoteZM, I have not yet found any reliable descriptions or complaints that ZM fits the criteria given by Robert J Lifton, the psychiatrist whose studies represent the standard for assessing these matters. The information we have so far is the following: 1) ZM groups deleted by German equivalent of Facebook. Wha
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QuotecorboyNot that I am aware of. QuoteCorboy: Have you come across anything that specifically denotes destructive "cult" or "cult-like" behavior concerning the Zeitgeist Movement? Have there been complaints from families regarding children caught up in the movement and exhibiting cult-like behavior? Are there specific complaints associated with the movement re
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QuotecorboyMy my. Googled Larouche and Zeitgeist Movement. Look what comes up. First link "LaRouche PAC - Lyndon LaRouche 1 Year, 3 Months ago Karma: 4 Here is the link to Lyndon LaRouche's web site that I mentioned at the gathering. larouchepac.com/ I recommend sitting through some of his 3 hour long web casts, as well as watching some of the movies he has made to s
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One more thing. The only reason I emphasized the issues of forum moderation being listed as "abuse" and that the concept of "anonymous moderators" making us a cult AUTOMATICALLY is because that was the foundation of both David and Prometheus's arguments.
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QuoteshaktiPosted this in other thread, but I think it belongs here as well: David, While I respect your opinion of Zeitgeist and AGREE with you on most points, I would advise dropping the "banning me is a form of abuse" line of argument. It is not helping OUR position and is helping TZM. It pains me to say that, but it is true. Any group running a message board has the right to
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QuoteshaktiPosted this in other thread, but I think it belongs here as well: David, While I respect your opinion of Zeitgeist and AGREE with you on most points, I would advise dropping the "banning me is a form of abuse" line of argument. It is not helping OUR position and is helping TZM. It pains me to say that, but it is true. Any group running a message board has the right to
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QuoteI said:"And he made it clear he was going to come here and that my only way of stopping him was to get on my knees and beg forgiveness." QuotePrometheus said:"That i did say, but not about here. It is my express intention to report him and his cult to every single cult watch group until the cult is laughed out of existence." This is clear evidence that this is a perso
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QuoterrmoderatorVTV: Just as your moderators can remain anonymous. The members of this message board can also remain anonymous. Well of course. Not for my benefit but yours. It's none of my business, but as a moderator myself I think it would behoove you to know if someone was pretending to be a "concerned person" to try and make it look like we are a cult for their own purpos
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QuoteDavidWishRick, corboy, etc. I do not know what do about this guy anymore. I would appreciate it if you all handled this from now on. I am tired of his lies. He is an abuser and is proud of his choices. How are you being abused? I asked the same questions Rick asked me to ask and you are not forthcoming with any answers. I feel the abuse going on here is your abuse of the term "cult&qu
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QuoteDavidNeil, aka VTV, Banning someone from a forum is not cultist abuse. I agree with this. Being an abusive cult, as TZM is and was, and then banning someone for stating it, is exactly an abusive cult banning someone. I had already called out TZM for cultist abuse in that thread and rightly so. I notice you keep dodging the question Mr. Ross asked me to ask you. DEFINE abuse? The ENTIR
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Again... none of this matters. Acharya S's work is not passed around in the Zeitgeist Movement due to any mandate by the Zeitgeist Movement. Individuals are allowed to read whatever they want. But you won't see her work in Jacque Fresco's reading list. And point of fact Peter has instructed us not to push it as it is her thing and has nothing to do with us.
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QuoteDavidWishI know this for Prometheuspan, but I would like to give it shot to see if I understand correctly. 1. A charismatic leader, who increasingly becomes an object of worship as the general principles that may have originally sustained the group lose power. Jacques Fresco is such a charismatic leader. On his web page for the Venus Project, it is specifically noted that, “The Zeit
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