QuotecorboyTo keep things simple, disputes that arose on other discussion venues are best resolved on those venues. However, for persons concerned about TZM and who want to discuss it here are welcome--just stick to the rules for this message board. PS There appear to be a variety of venues where TZM is critiqued. That's perfectly fine. No one possesses a monopoly on this topi
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QuoteoryleeHere's trying to keep it simple. QuoteVTVAgain Eric, you are just not being honest. You were not joking. You were politely asked to stop. You kept going. And again. You don't have anything here that represents cult abuse. Have you lost your mind? Who did you hear that from? You haven't gotten your facts straight about basic aspects of this scenario. Ask me about
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Quotecorboyhttps://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2012/04/06/the-zeitgeist-resource-based-economy-transition-plan-nudist-theme-park/ This does not capture the pictures, unfortunately. The Zeitgeist gResource Based Economyh Transition Plan: Nudist Theme Park 59 comments Douglas gAnnihilatorh Mallette is a public spokesman for Zeitgeist Movement. One can easily search youtube and se
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Quotecorboyhttps://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2012/04/06/the-zeitgeist-resource-based-economy-transition-plan-nudist-theme-park/ This does not capture the pictures, unfortunately. The Zeitgeist gResource Based Economyh Transition Plan: Nudist Theme Park 59 comments Douglas gAnnihilatorh Mallette is a public spokesman for Zeitgeist Movement. One can easily search youtube and se
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QuotecorboyA new word to put in google searches: zeitard Again, is your purpose here just to highlight the insults and the trolling? Also, you have requested information about the trademark thing several times. Why does it matter? As I understand it, Gentle Machine Productions was the name of Peter's filmmaking company. You start these for tax reasons sometimes. He sought a
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Quotejames kushZeitgeist chapter coordinators and members want to kill 1000's of innocent people Here is a screenshot archive of the conversation http://s1133.photobucket.com/albums/m591/RonaldoDeLosMuertos/Zeitgeist%20Forum%20Screenshots/ Here is a mirror of the conversation that took place where leaders within Zeitgeist Movement discuss what a great idea it is to murder 1000's
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QuoteoryleeI don't expect you to gain anything from it VTV. If you could, you would've already done so. I'm not here to argue with you. We will have to earn the dissociation of cult label with our organization. Nobody with any credibility has ever called us a "cult". I didn't ask you what you thought I expected to gain from it. I asked you what you thought you wer
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Quotejames kushZeitgeist chapter coordinators and members want to kill 1000's of innocent people Here is a screenshot archive of the conversation http://s1133.photobucket.com/albums/m591/RonaldoDeLosMuertos/Zeitgeist%20Forum%20Screenshots/ Here is a mirror of the conversation that took place where leaders within Zeitgeist Movement discuss what a great idea it is to murder 1000's
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Corboy Now you are quoting blogs which are quoting each other. You are reading what amounts to people cyberstalking and cyberbullying. And you are re-posting it here. There are false allegations brought up on these blogs constantly. They might take a grain of truth here or there and then fill in the blanks with outright lies. What is the point? If you are having "great fun" at th
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QuotecorboyQuoteA new twist on how the world of cultist’s work arrived today with a notification from Youtube that a “privacy” complaint had been filed against the video. There is a policy at Youtube where you are not allowed to reveal personal information of another Youtube user or anyone in general. When I went to the “offending” part of the video, it dealt with an exchange between two
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Quotecorboyhttp://thezeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/ (cached) QuoteDisclaimer This site is about examining of the Zeitgeist Movement. Just to be clear, the official Zeitgeist Movement site is TheZeitgeistMovement.com, and this is not affiliated with them in anyway. The opposition is only with those who think the Zeitgeist Movement is still alive and makes sense and I think it's
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I would not call Meurtos a source. He is just another obscure internet blogger. I have already touched on the "Conspiracy Theory" stuff several pages ago. If people want me to go through it again I will. But TVP never had any relationship to the conspiracy crowd. And TZM does not actively promote them either. Peter Joseph had a passing interest in them in college. He does not promot
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Quotejames kushSome interesting links on the benign fringe group Zeitgeist Movement: One of the Zeitgeist followers is drawing Barack Obama in sniper crosshairs all over facebook: http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2012/07/01/zeitgeist-members-fantasy-of-assassinating-president-obama/ There is absolutely nothing in the Zeitgeist Movement or the Venus Project's ideologies that prom
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QuotecorboyAt this point, one thing can be said about TZM and discussions concerning TZM. There's no shortage of drama. Readers who have looked at the sample of material here can decide for themselves whether TZM and its drama represent a good investment of time and emotional/physical energy. Honestly, what you are talking about is just the way things are on the internet. There is j
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This blog I wrote about Trolls in general refers to Codie Vickers, a.k.a: Grits, Hominy Grits, Plautus Satire. Links to two different recorded conversations we had with him before he was completely banned are provided in the article. QuoteMy BlogA look inside the mind of a troll... So I have been monitoring when of our more notorious trolls for the purpose of getting inside the strategies
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Quoteorylee...continued from above QuoteVTVI am not butt hurt about anything. You can take that shitty attitude somewhere else. You guys brought a dumb argument to this facebook group, have not managed to accomplish anything towards your goal. I don't have to "blame Jen Wilding" as she did not cause more drama over this. Nor did she see fit to bring it here. QuoteVTVI don'
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After looking at that old conversation, I found more of the story to share. This is from Gilbert, one of the coordinators of the movement. QuoteGilbertAs unfortunate as it is, this seems the route to go. There are good people within the RBOSE group and i wont be the last to acknowledge that. Having said that amongst other moderators i have been allmost a daily returning subject in the RBO
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Quote2012_CT"It would be most interesting to hear from former ZM members or friends of ZM cadres who can tell us what its really like to be on the inside." Actually I may be able to help with that. Although I've never was a member of TZM I was working with the old TZM developers team (back in 2009). Long story short I was interested in a open source project they were working on
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QuotecorboyAnd, whats so bad about discussing TZM here, on the RR.com message board. Whats so bad about 'reviving the discussion'? TZM and its leader who isnt a leader are being discussed elsewhere, and quite vigorously. Yet...somehow to 'revive the discussion on RR.com is considered not-good? Hmmm. The reason they don't want to conversation "revived" here i
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Quote2012_CTSomone pointed me to this thread and thought I'd put down my thoughts on the matter. This should be interesting. Quote2012@VTV this thread is a few months old why revive it? I was curious if the conversation had continued. I noticed that David Wish in another desperate attempt to suggest that TZM engages in "dangerous cult abuse" tried to suggest that just becaus
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QuotestarsI knew a pedophile liberal who was very into this once...I don't like it. The media is making a video about how the media is controlling the world or something, I don't even remember it, whatever. I am sure you can find "pedophile liberals" who are into almost everything. Including people of different religions, political beliefs, etc. None of that actually equates
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QuoteDavidWishThousands of people have been hurt, and are continuing to get hurt, at many different locations where TZM members are actively involved and encouraging others to participate. If this is concerning to anyone here, please investigate. Thank you It is concerning to me that you are making the STTTTREEEETTTCCCHHH to suggest that people getting injured during activists protests som
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QuoterrmoderatorWhat seems to come across is that TZM is a fringe groups that has some controversial beliefs, but that doesn't make it a "cult" by any meaningful objective definition. For a group to be considered a "cult" according to Lifton it must be destructive, not simply objectionable due to its beliefs. It's about behavior. Lifton says, "Economic, se
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Quotejames kushPerhaps they are a relatively benign example of a "cult following" of sorts. Destructive cults is what people post about and are generally interested in this forum, not benign cults. It may be a personality fringe group with strange beliefs, but that seems to be about it. Time will tell. Some time ago in our debates on you Facebook you admitted that the Zeitge
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Quotejames kush"Let’s not even get in to the question of whether Mallette is an “official” spokesman for the Zeitgeist Movement. I believe he is, but the Zeitgeisters often play games with the authority figures in their movement, usually claiming “he’s speaking for himself” when one of them says something embarrassing, while conversely trumpeting the same person as a “spokesman for the Venus
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Quotejames kushHowever, the most important concern today is not simply who might be somewhat "cultic" in their devotion now or historically, but what groups might represent potential problems regarding personal or public safety. That is, groups that are potentially unsafe and/or destructive.-Margaret Singer Something you have repeatedly failed to prove. QuoteDouglas Mallette Murde
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Quotejames kushVTV, I have already proven #1 and #2 of Liftons terms. The only issue at debate is wether or not your group is a "destructive" cult per Margaret Singer's terms. I need to research Singers definitions and get back to you. Have a nice day. You have not proven anything. You have made some assertions and I proved those assertions false.
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Quotejames kushVTV, If I was attempting to spin anything i would not provide supportive links to every statement as further evidence of my claims. In your latest response to me, you provided 1 supportive link to my 18 links. I also offer any of the material in its full context if anybody is interested, pm or public. If I was "spinning" data, you would be providing counter audio/v
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His comments in regular text, mine in bold. "Filmmakers, authors, musicians etc commonly use alias's for their work. This does not prove anything "cult" like. The reason he did not attach his full name to his work is because of the kind of harassment I have already shown. Not to mention death threats from angry Christians for making an atheist movie, the harassment of his
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David Wish in this post will be in italics. My replies will be in normal text. Here are some quick notes to the readers of this thread. 1. I am, and have been, emotionally involved with the issue of TZM. OK, so are basically admitting that your motives are not exactly pure. Or at least clear, even to you. 2. I have taken note of the moderation of this thread and other threads concern
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