Quotedabcult He was force to worship Butler from birth (got his spiritual name from Mr Univers ) ... He had to drink the water that had wash the feet of Jagad guru ... he was told many times that the nail clippings of BUTLER was often mixed with the the food he was served in that school. he finally ran away from home at the first opportunity (because the cult was putting pressure to send him to
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It looks like this forum is helping turn votes from Tulsi to Kia'iana because of Xenoscript's DailyKOs diaries; such good reads, very well written. Thanks Rick Ross. http://www.mauinews.com
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Yay, we're cited. Kudos to Xenocrypt too, and thanks most of all to Rick Ross for providing this forum. Before I wrote this diary, I did read some portions of some of the lengthy threads on the Cult Education Forum discussing Butler's group and its ties to the Gabbards. by Xenocrypt on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 10:04:58 AM PST [ Parent ] http://www.dailykos.com There will be people
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Just state your case in exposing the cult, we all in agreement with that. Who am I to set the tone of this thread? This is a public forum; it is in your liberty how you deliver your case, even if you choose to go down to throwing the whole kitchen sink and all, and hope something sticks, but I will always beg to differ when things get too juvenile, petty and down dirty. When you left the cult
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Thanks Vera for being classy. I appreciate your postings about Scientology. These are informations readers can relate Science of Identity to. Wow, I watched the videos and remain hopeful. If Tulsi's connection with the cult is so newsworthy, the media would have written about it long ago, even without this forum's prodding. There's nothing further to prove either, it's an
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Obviously I can only speak for myself. I'm suspicious when things are becoming like a herd, and having disagreement is no fun either. I understand using the terms "we" and "let's", can be unavoidable when in a group, but when they become monotonous, I like saying "here we go again". The same sort of sense of belonging that landed us in a cult in the first p
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I think we all have said what the world needs to know about Tulsi and the Science of Identity. Personally, I would leave it at that. I wish she loses, but I couldn't care less in the end if she wins. My quarrel is with the Science of Identity and Chris Butler. That poor girl maybe a victim too, if she's intelligent, she'll recognize that. If not, she'll be burdened with a huge
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I hate to say this: the only difference between CNN and GM is that GM sells cars, CNN and the press media sell news. If nobody would buy, who would sell it? These newscasters, reporters and editors ain't no blue collar workers, they are executives with hefty pays. Gone are the days when reporters go out of their way and news reporting was more of a mission and a passion than a dictated assig
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To Rick Ross, How come Chris Butler or The Science of Identity is not listed on your group information archives? QNet maybe link to SI too. Co-founder Joseph Bismark is a disciple of Chris Butler. QNet employ the same tactic of flooding google with fake sites and fake articles to mislead people inquiring about its fraudalent business schemes. I'm guessing QNet maybe the refined version
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In recent years, Tulsi has undergone what she describes as a "gradual metamorphosis" on social issues. She says her transformation was spurred by spending time in countries governed by oppressive regimes during deployments to the Middle East as a member of the Hawaii Army National Guard. Leftward journey my …. And why would she lie? Because the Science of Identity philosophy supp
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Michael Satou · Top Commenter I once heard a perfect definition of cult and cult leader. A cult is the other guy’s religion. And a cult leader is the other guy’s pope, guru, rabbi, prophet, Dalai Lama, imam or ayatollah of the other guy’s religion. To Michael Satou: That is true, but that doesn't erase the fact that there are destructive cults and insane cult leaders; and Scienc
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The view of "our relationship with God" get skewed oftentimes by self-righteousness and becomes an excuse to lord over others as in the case of Chris Butler and his minions. Where's the gentleness, compassion and respect to others there?
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To Mike Gabbard, Exposing your sweet daughter to much vitriol and smear is not parental love. Not only that you and Carol had to drag the poor child to worship at the feet of a madman, you even need to push her to the quagmire political arena, you very well know will even get dirtier, even if she gets to DC. It's not even for her benefit in the end, you very well know what the whole game
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Quote My yoga teacher Chris Butler doesn't belong to any cult. Vaishnavism is not a cult and was already there long before Christianity was born, as proven by its unbroken disciplic succession. It's not true that there is compulsary tithing in his mission. Anyone can help out in the mission simply by using our abilities, either by helping to wash the dishes used in food distribution, et
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I'm very sorry Mr. dabcult, I didn't mean to discourage you or anybody. I'm just giving a wider perspective about Chris Butler's M.O., which right now centers on Tulsi, but is just the tip of an iceberg. I wish you're not discouraged, because you've been doing a terrific job. I and others wouldn't be posting much if we're not encourage by your effort. I
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I don't think Chris Butler cares an inch. He's got enough minions to support him until he dies. In the end, awareness can only do so much; how much more is there to expose any religious cults? People will choose the stupidest thing, unfortunately; the focus should be on the innocent children born into cults, they are the real victims, and key players in the future. The minions are as gu
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Oh yeah, they've been mum about this forum since day one. Once in a while a moron would spew few idiotic posts and reveal how disconnected their mindsets are and get sent off with tail tucked in between legs. Not that regular posters here were trying to be mean, but quite the opposite. It's just that the disconnect is just too much, is troubling and can be borderline insanity. I'm
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Nice speech about fairness, Tulsi. Now let's talk about "openness". People have no f-ing clue what is it like to be brainwashed. When children leave their parents and divest all life's opportunities they were either born into or were blessed with from gracious parents, to serve and be pleasing to one person alone; when siblings betray each other because of opposing views; w
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dabcult, thank you so much for your fearless effort of exposing the superstitious belief of the Haribols. In your short visit in this forum, you achieved what most of us tried for years. Each of our circumstances are different, but most of us here are held hostage by having family members and friends that are still in the cult and are vulnerable for reprisal if our covers are blown; plus, Chris B
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Yes Vera, I heard them all. Chris Butler wants to surround himself with urban myths and legends. He's known to actually talk to God face to face, and according to him, God's form is best represented by the female-looking Gopala painting with a flute and a fawn by his side (attached), which is by the way is from ISKCON (ha-hah); he can see everyone, everytime, that made everyone feel gui
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To Jagat Guru Siddhaswarpananda Goswami Parahamansa Chris Butler (whew!): Yeah yeah, privacy my …. When you invade the privacy of other people's lives, especially good loving families, when you invade the sanctity of the human spirit and snatch away the innocence of children with your DOGMA, that to you is not privacy. Privacy to you is when your lies are exposed, your comfort zone is poke u
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When I talked to cult victims, I just can't figure out how they could sustain the mindset in this age of knowledge. Up to now, Science of Identity practitioners parrot the same old dogma and terminologies and mimic the same puffed up attitudes toward people outside the group. Yes, after all these years, which are not just very mentally exhausting but can be so awkward and irritating (just wa
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Sorry can't help posting: Ha-ha-hah, right on the money; the classic Siddha. Thanks Vera, Quotesman and Truthy for those classic remarks. They're gonna stay here, practically forever. Siddha must be fuming mad as hell. Funny.
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if you're hoping for mainstream media to pick up on religious cults as an issue, dream on. Unless somebody dies or is hurt or something happens that is so sensational, religion don't sell. There's no difference between McDonald's and Honolulu Weekly. One sell hamburgers; the other, news. Gone are the days when journalism is a public service and a mission. As far as the law
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Thanks Vera for the lead. I get to know more about Kurt Butler and the family. His life is all over the internet. It turned out Chris is not the enigma here. A very intelligent father, a loving mother, a faithful young brother and another brother who borders on the other side of the extreme. All were left in the dark, all connections cut off just like you and I. It appears the only person living
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Mr. Henry, you are very brave indeed. My heartfelt gratitude on behalf of my children. I must warn you though that that these people are very organized as far as how the law and political systems work. And they are known to hurt people not just psychologically, but also financially and sometimes physically. There were incidents. Thank you for your courageous and selfless effort in producing the d
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A message to Chris Butler: Forget about karma. A child is everything to a parent. If you destroy my child, life becomes meaningless. This is the same with all parents, everywhere. I wish I can be much more clearer than this. Don't get there; don't tread on parents like me. A message to Mike Gabbard: I don't understand you. 99.9% of all parents in this world would keep their ch
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QuotekitosI am astonished at the level of ignorance displayed in every post relating to Chris Butler Ignorance? Of course this group appear in public and participate in social events, as a yoga group, a lifestyle group, a health group, anything but the religious cult group that believe that there actually is a human being on Earth that is pure and infallible and is as good as God. Of course th
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I'm so glad the public is getting more and more aware of this secretive cult. This Butler guy really did well in enslaving his followers with unquestioning devotion. I've observed this group for more than twenty years now, while it's easier for people like us to see through the illusion, it's not so with others. People had stayed for twenty or more years, and it's really
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To Rest Easy, If you understand what dehumanizing is, what demonizing is and what creepy is, you have to point your forefinger somewhere else. Perhaps back to the people you are trying to protect. For a religious cult who should have no business in politics, or how people should act and live, other than living as an example of what they preach, they should not be fielding a minion to have a se
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