One of Dave McKay’s favourite catchphrases is that he stopped writing the news and began making it. However, does that saying really ring true? We have already demonstrated that in 1962 McKay wrote the article promoting his joint win in a US Newspaper boy competition. He seemed quite upset that we brought that article to the public’s attention. Amusing seeing we were only republishing his o
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The Books, You can’t put God in a Box and A Letter to Rome also provides some useful links to Dave McKay’s involvement with the Children of God. McKay arrived in Australia to live on the 3 May 1967. After spending time at Peats Ridge he had moved on to Quenbeyan, before residing in Broken Hill. You can’t put God in a Box was copyrighted in 1973 and listed McKay’s residential address in
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Cults need money to be successful and to survive .The Jesus Christians’ cult is no exemption. Unless its members, work for money, the wheels could quite literally start falling off their wagons. There would be no more campervans, no fuel, no internet time, no mobile phones and no printing. So its members take to the street in order to sell Dave’s books. The employment benefits aren’t tha
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Blackhat married to Private Eyes…a CIA operative? The Good Shepherd (Movie 2006) recast 2008 version: Private Eyes in the role of Edward Wilson: “You are never to tell anyone what it is that I do! “ Blackhat playing Clover Wilson: “What you do? I don't know what you do! You leave at five; you're home at ten, seven days a week! I live with a ghost! I don't know anythin
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Jessep: You want answers? Kaffee: I want the truth! Jessep: You can't handle the truth! Let’s see how he goes with some direct and honest answers to these: In what month and year did you join the Children of God? How long were you a member? Were you given a Bible name? What was it? Did you use your Bible name? In what year and in what month did you become aware of the sexual teachings
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Funny, Zeuszor. I thought I was Mother! But seriously: Blackhat I think your heart is in the right place. However, I believe the Quakers could get David LOWE and his wife (?) and strap them to a chair in Devonshire Street. I would of course still continue to post and Dave would probably then say I was LOWE's cousin or Grandma. Rather than admit he is wrong. Remember at one stage Dav
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furry faerie, I think cool hermit was speaking about the vanity in not addressing the genuine concerns that have been raised within these now, 320 pages. I have been researching Dave McKay for quite some time and I am hard pressed to find people who have a strong positive impression of him, apart from existing Jesus Christians and a handful of associates. Some of who, even themselves, appear
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I suspect that those "moving on" and seeking "new revelations" currently, haven't had time to delete the spammers. For a moment wayseer's post had me worried. An "explosion" of new members!
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I would have rather not commented any further at all. I believe more discussion on this issue just focusses more attention on a matter that probably would have just run its course. I think people have accepted that Alice was wrong when she allegedly told Zeuszor that Dave doesn't visit. Given his reports of his visits in the past via his newsletters, etc. His "forsaking" certain
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To help clarify some confusion. Dave has a brother who holds a rank is in the Salvation Army, as did Dave's father. The brother who is in the Salvation Army is married to a Salvation Army Officer, who I believe still out ranks him. They live in New Mexico. The brother posting on this forum is not the Salvation Army Officer. Dave has several brothers. To my knowledge Zeuszor has only ph
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Dave is continuing with his persecution angle today, arguing that he is being treated unfairly and that it defies all logic. As if he has done nothing to contribute to the situation he now finds himself in: Dave’s Quote: “It also has something to do with Jesus returning. We've been talking about that for a long time and still it is very difficult for me to even begin to imagine it real
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Hi Rick In regards to Egypt-Eire I agree with Talamasca. I don't think there is any harm in engaging him. If he is a player, time will tell and he can be dealt with accordingly. If he is genuine, we are probably in the best position to help. The Jesus Christians have over many years attracted an ecletic mix of what some would call eccentrics. So Samuel doesn't come as any real sur
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It appears that Dave McKAY may have been telling the Quakers what he wants them to hear. Three times no less. Rather than addressing their (the Quakers) concerns. If his most recent post on the Quaker saga is anything to go by. Dave claims that as a consequence, the Quakers examining him are going to recommend that he be, "dismembered" to the Regional Meeting . As I not a Quaker, I
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Quote: Apostate: "I thought it interesting that Jose is referred to as an Ex jesus Christian and that he has thrown his lot in with Daniel. Jose was the one doing the whipping on the Fox news show. Be interesting to hear from him these days." Jose did declare awhile ago that he was no longer a member. This last year may start ranking as one of the worse for the Jesus Christians
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Readers might be interested to know that the so called, zero currency man that posts on the Jesus Christians Forum has written about the cult on his blog. Followers of the JC Forum will know that some of the US Jesus Christians cult were planning to meet up with this man who posts as, Suelo. Suelo, actually Daniel James SHELLABARGER, claim to fame (if you get past all the rhetoric) is to enjoy
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Blackhat, you stating Privatise is in on that site, made me curious and I thought I'd take a look. Just for the record, the poster who is posting on that site, using that name (Privatise) is not me.
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Hi Chris and thank you for your input. Dave can't excommunicate Lisa Simpson (formerly known as Jinny the Squinny). Lisa is Zoe BRIGGS the Jesus Christians' website owner. That is why some people might say, that Dave compromises his position. I was hoping that might see through the so called, Jesus Christians. Dave hangs it all on being sincere. But those who study cults know that
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FukyPunkyG You seem to be suggesting that it was unChristian for Kirstie to publish JC emails: Quote: " I think it is appalling that you display our private emails for all to read..." Hopefully, then you will apply and expect the same standard from Dave: Quote: "...someone has sent me information from some documents that were obtained from Private Eyes' own compute
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The extent of Dave McKay's "so called" evidence againgst David Lowe appears to be what is claimed to be an anonymous remailing address and some documents (copies of Private RR messages) signed by Private Eyes. No documents signed by David Lowe. No documents from Private Eyes, claiming to be David Lowe. By McKay's own admission, not even a reference to where this David Lowe
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Malcolm, The JC allegedly distribute their books through Quaker Schools in Kenya. It is said to be their "cash cow", with multi thousands of books being sold for an average cover price of US $ 1. You might understand why they might be keen to retain their Quaker links. Without the help of the Quakers, the Jesus Christians member's travel might have to revert back to foot. Like i
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To the person who sent me a PM on the 17th. Have tried to reply, but unfortunately your inbox is full. You need to clear/delete some of your mail in order to be able to accept new mail. Hopefully, I am up to date with replying to everyone else. I will take this opportunity to give my best wishes to everyone, your efforts are appreciated. I do believe even some of the longer term member
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On January 13, 2008 I wrote this on the site: "One of the things I have found interesting in looking at the Jesus Christians is how Dave manages to describe Brian as mentally unstable in an attempt to dismiss him as a critic. Yet what would have happened if he had gone through the trial week? If he had joined, are we to assume his OCD wouldn't have been an issue? I just raise the sub
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Mercy has enjoyed a reasonably good reputation and has been credited with some success, until recently. There have been some negative stories in the Australian press regarding Mercy Ministeries. They appear to stem from about three former residents. Although, only one appears to have been named. These reports can be Googled. There was some hype to the stories, including Mercy being descr
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The group that KADWELL was promoting was known as the Truth Fellowship. It was fairly active in Glastonbury in the United Kingdom. The group also operated in Tooradin in Victoria, Australia and advertised a PO Box address in Denmark in Western Australia. KADWELL is credited with being the author of another two books, the first entitled The Call and the second, The New Call. The first book
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Although the books author is listed as being anonymous. The book's author is believed to be a male aged around 45, Simon KADWELL aka Simon KADWILL aka Simon KADDY. Does anyone have any information about him, particularly his current whereabouts? He has been listed as missing in Australia along with his partner, Chantelle McDOUGALL, 27 his daughter Leela, 6, and housemate, Antonio P
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Does anyone know anything about a sect that follows a book called, "Servers of the Divine Plan, the Destiny of Ages is Nigh"?. It appears to be a New Age cult and the book was written anonymously in 1999. I would be particularly interested to know if it has any contactable groups (followers are believed to be called "servers") anywhere, but particularly in Australia. Th
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Have a look at Living Donors Online, folks. Lots of interesting stuff going on. Like Dave getting advice on how to maximise expense money. Problems with Ezra's donation and Dave needing to bring the media in, because the insurers are allegedly threatening not to pay for Ezra's donation. Dave also reveals another donation was refused in the UK recently when they found out the don
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Up until November 2007 there were at least 18 publicised donations that could be easily identified as coming from the so called, Jesus Christians, membership. There was one unsuccesful donation that followed. This recent donation brings the number to 19, unless there are others that haven't received as much publicity. Given the membership has apparently dropped to 25, which includes th
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My belief is that at first I was someone called NE. I then became AvL. I was then no longer, AvL, but according to Dave, started to pretend I was (try and make some sense of that!). Then I apparently became AvL in league with DL, although for sometime, I was referred to as DN. I think that I then started to be referred to as simply DL, who Dave (may or may not) think is worse than a mass mur
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Blackhat, Thank you for having the courage to return, despite the efforts of Dave to silence you. If Quakers have concerns about Dave, they have every right to raise those concerns and not be bullied. You raise a very important issue regarding the whipping of the Kenyan Volunteer, that Apostate has written about. No doubt you will also be aware whipping breeches the, Universal Declarati
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