LOL the heat makes you lazy not fanatical. Have you been anywhere hotter than Australia. People work... so... slowly. Most of the disciples here are actually from New Zealand anyway and they went to chants with Tusta back in the 70's. That is how lame it is that they mostly increased the cult since then by having a multitude of children. But it is still all the same hippies from the ISKCON d
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Check it out Cara was interviewed earlier in the week for a weekend newspaper two page spread on cults on the Gold Coast (Australian cult central) and we have the article on our site
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What I don't understand is how Chris was all that different back then to how he is now. From accounts children were neglected and left to fend for themselves, others were poor and hungry, all the same brainwashing techniques were used and he had people waiting on him hand and foot. As soon as his guru died and even in the years beforehand he started on his political campaigns and business ve
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Hi guys, Hope all is well Since you were in the appoximate area would it be possible that you might know anything that could be a hint as to why or what the following tv, video and film companies were started for? We all know of Jagad Guru Speaks and Wai Lana's Gold Moon Productions, Ninjai Gang and Gabbards tv stint, and Golden earth internet movies but there is also: Registered
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I think this is pretty self-explanatory. Their website where you can find their contact details is Dear Ant and other members of Gokula House Meditation Centre, I am writing in response to your post on our guestbook at www.chriskcon.com seeking to advertise "Gokula House" in Melbourne. You say that there is a meditation centre there for anyone who would like to come and decid
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Quotejust-googling and with little sleep... One guy fell asleep at the wheel of his vehicle and drove over a cliff... :o Poor guy. That is so sad :cry:
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Quotecultreporter I heard a lecture when he said "some people dont want to follow the Vedic injunction of giving half their income to Krishna. I only expect that my followers give half of that." Ha ha ha! Siddha gets a 50% pay decrease for doing nothing. Substitute the word 'Krishna' with 'me'. Is this really a vedic injunction and does this injunction mean that a
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I was in the cult for a few years and I did come and go as I pleased and kept aloof from the group as much as possible but at 16 I was told that there was a devotee who was assigned specifically to look out for me and all the other younger students without parents. There was a disciple assigned to accept money on Siddha's behalf that every body knew about. Devotees are not rewarded per s
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Yes I don't think that yoga nidra is a dispicable practice. Deep breathing excercises are not the same thing either. By mentally relaxing each body part as the instructor is suggesting to you starting with the individual toes on the left foot and then right, balls of your feet, heels, backs of you feet etc., and yes they do go into almost every single body part imaginable, what this is doing
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Well thanks Antarctic now that you've said your peice and you are not here to actually discuss anything specifically and just want to put a suggestion into people's minds that this is all made up well that is fine. Since you have stated that you have been reading for a couple of months you will notice that Cara and i have been doing a lot of research into SOI and these things do take ti
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Antartic, Another person coming on this thread offering a vague statement about misinformation. How original. Well let's get specific then. So in those twenty years you've been a student/disciple of Jagad Guru you haven't heard your guru yelling at people and making a complete mockery of them in front of a large croud of people? Outside of his tv lectures where he needs t
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Hi Freeatlast, What you are saying I could agree to that there would be good people in the cult and many thoughtful decent people thinking that SOI says a lot of truth and holds many worthy values who would find it a place where one can belong. The same was said about ISKCON when in the 60s and 70s that they helped to get a lot of people off drugs and offered shelter for those who needed i
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Quotejust-googling Do we have it on tape when Butler is asking his followers to commit suicide when he dies so that they may follow him? I'm sure this is not on any of the public lectures and probably on the "in-house" recordings that they are guarding the public from listening to. Yes unfortunately noone has gone through their wardrobes as yet to find any of old lectures they
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You believe that specifically there would be no shooting or burning of children and adults. The members of Science of Identity belong to a doomsday cult who are taught to think instinctively that Chris Butler (an increasingly reclusive, paranoid, fanatical, tempremental, peurile, narcisistic and aging cult leader) is in direct communication with God and that his every word is the will of God.
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In 1993 leader of the Branch Davidians David Koresh under suspicion of various crimes - including child molestation - refused to be arrested on a warrant for posession of weapons leading to a 51 day standoff during which followers barricaded themselves in the Waco compound and Koresh surrounded himself with children during the negotiations. On April 19 the seige ended with 76 people, includin
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Zelig, you're acting as an authority on SOI is a little doubtful. You were there a whole 20 years and you finally figured there is enough evidence that it's damaging - strong word too. How bout illegal activities? In all that time you saw not a single law being broken? That is the truth? JG was in Australia for an entire year with a number of international visitors, when I joined, ju
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If SOI wanted to clear their reputation and state that anything said on this forum is untrue they are perfectly capable of that. If there was no attempting to convert followers and someone signed up to state that the organisation which has a multitude of businesses, whose reputation would be affected by such publically available information, is innocent of any wrong doing such as neglecting their
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Quotejust-googlingThis kind of anger appears to the common man to be RIDICULOUS, CHILDISH, SELFISH, IRRATIONAL and uncalled-for, as does the anger fits displayed by Chris Butler. Any comments? :?: From the Garuda Purana which is a principle Purana in the age of Kali. 1.108.5. One should keep aloof from a brahmana foolishly puerile,.. How did the story of the Brah
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Oh and "Golden Earth - Ancient Wisdom for the New Millenium" site is also run by an unamed small group of people like Down to Earth and Ninjai. "The Golden Earth website is a collaborative effort between the spiritual hierarchy and a small number of living human beings who have dedicated their lives to the service of humanity." "The group includes people of differen
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Hi Atheist, This site that Cara found is an absolute must read. Not only do SOI engage in downright dispicable politics they engage in the same with business. The site is made by nice people who built a business on the web promoting vegetarianism of all things. SOI comes along and tries to bully them into accepting their business. Then they try to steal this and other site's business. The
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QuoteTHIS IS EXACTLY WHAT PRABOOFRAUD WAS DOING ONE TIME!!!!! You have got to be kidding. :P How blatantly arogant. I once saw Siddha sing his own name. He obviously hadn't been paying attention and we were singing prayers to the spiritual master and he got almost to the end of his name (you know how long it is) before he realised and asked for the microphone. Back in 1995/96 at a
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I'm not sure which groups you all were involved in but religious groups can use pretty strong brain changing techniques and indoctrination. The following is what I have discovered about the cult system particularly Science of Identity along with my own observations. They start with absolute statements that *seem* logical and non-contradictory and build on that. If you accept these absolut
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The problem here is intent. All we know is that a website is using a Science of Identity trademark and that noone from SOI has even attempted to deny affiliation with this group. The Golden earth goes deeper in it's nuttiness than just natural disasters such as rising tides, tornados and earthquakes (last year according to an article on the site there were supposed to be two predicted earthq
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Someone in Siddha's group is so busted!!!! If you look on the Hawaiian gov business name search (search button top left) under 'Healthy's' you will notice "Healthy's, Inc' Master Name with an active status. This is the business branch of the Science of Identity Foundation which Down To Earth Natural Foods come under. There is a link to the list of tr
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If you type in: "Wai Lana" -wailana (Wailana being a place in Hawaii) into google it comes up with almost a quarter million results. Wai lana - cds, dvds, videos, bags, totes, mats, yoga balls, tv shows, clothes, aroma therapy, skin care, toys, comics, books, Little yogis range of yoga for kids, and so on and so on. Nowhere does it mention who her husband/guru/spiritual master is
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Answer to poll: Not quickly enough.
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It's a great video isn't it. I was surprised how many SOI techniques are used. Particularly the part where only the guru matters. ------------- Siddha-svarup and Wai Lana are really cashing in on Yoga merchandising. The Wai Lan Yoga TR is listed as a social welfare organisation (what social welfare does Wai Lana's org do?) and has a $3 000 000 tax-free profit. Little
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There really is little point of arguing with SOI or any other group on a philosophical level as this is not what is keeping members in SOI. Like with GM, ISKCON and christian groups alike when a member behaves in an irreligious manner the cult's practice is to simply cover-up the offending information as if it never existed. Once there is cover-ups future criminal behaviors are acceptable as
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Gaudiya, It was obvious that you were GM and you can't come on to cult forum preaching your cult (after we agreed that your guru was not to be mentioned) and then you go on to criticise Cara's work still expecting that your guru is above criticism. It is by your logic only that Bhatisiddhanta is false. I wonder if your guru was Tirtha Maharaj and then I would not be suprised that you
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