having watched the videos again and hearing the lectures, i am now at the age where i can decipher real intelligence from bullshit. I am almost the same age where my parents were when they decided to surrender their life, family, and minds to the sick and abusive cult leader, Chris Butler. I cannot tell you how enraged i am that they so easily took this to be the ABSOLUTE Truth, and all I ca
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I am also backing up the statements of eigenerherr and Rama Das (slave name) I was born into this cult, I am second generation. I watched as my parents minds got slowly taken from them by Chris Butler. I am from 3 broken families because of all the internal arranged marriages within the cult. As a child I were neglected, physically abused, spiritually blackmailed, not educated, made to wor
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did Tulsi just try to redefine what Krishna is? unbelievable. that video is as creepy as it can get. it really sounds like the rhetoric Chris Butler and the SOI "philosophy" would repeat day in and day out. "we are one" but in reality you are being brainwashed. classic case of Loading the Language. Loading the Language A cultic group often uses its own comple
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I wanted to give my 2cents worth and say that the latest posts are 100% accurate. thank you for the solid research and background information. it certainly helps strengthen convictions. special thats corboy and flash. your posts are the lifeblood of the thread. the evidence and descriptions of the people involved are all true folks. make no doubt about it. there are a lot of people at
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its all about the money for Chris Butler and how to worship him with it. Tulsi is marrying another cult member so they can keep close tabs on the cash. her first husband who goes by the name of Keshav, a Filipino beta male was just a servant. he was one of the most obedient ones to come out of the indoctrination camps from the Philippines. its most likely the same with this current one.
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are you still doubting if Tulsi is in or out of the Butler Cult? she's marrying "Abraham" a Haribol kid. why didnt she marry a Hindu? why is it a Haribol kid who is a "freelance cinematographer who has made some short films and worked on commercial and political advertising campaigns" we all know that means unemployed and a servant of Butler. can you get anymo
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not even the "pure" ones can resist the powers of social media. the real blue god,facebook jivan
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50 Shades of Gay starring Kris Butler try burning that out of your minds next Guru puja, disciples of Butler.
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is it just like his solutions for Y2K and the H1N1, and the other failed prophecies? is that we all get air purifiers so we can breathe special air like Chris Butler? "Kris" Butler? wow they only thought of that now? too funny. talk about sounding like a homophobe. wow Tulsi with another male slave. I wonder where they got him? congrats. will it be a gay wedding? equality and
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the followers of Butler will suffer the same fate, many will not realize that their enlightenment is another illusion. a facade, and behind it only emptiness and wasted time. I hope that some will be able to overcome the indoctrination and switching of identities to be able to lead a decent life of what is left of it. go back to their loved ones, and stop the spiritual abuse. just do some
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true, Bulterites will continue to breed and prosper, but they will never get out of the shadows of Butler while he is still alive. they will always need his approval. anything that does surpass, i dont think that Butler knows about it. no one can have more success than the Butler, and if you do then your ego is probably huge and needs to be taken down a notch. eg: give more money to Butler.
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Chris Butler, aka Sai, aka Siddhaswarupananda Goswami, aka Siddhaswarupananda Prabhupad, aka Siddha, aka Jagad Guru HAS and WILL continue to be exposed as a HOAX. a FRAUD. ever since the first Let Us Reason Ministries called him out on his hateful speech and his bashing of Christians, that up to this day has had no intelligent response. Except his minions that come out with name calling and c
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yes Chris Butler is indeed obsessed with gay sex. If anyone has a copy of the tape lectures, ones from the late 80's into the 90's that is all the evidence you will need to realize he is fixated on how the gays have sex. there is no one else who has taught me so much about the gay sex practice than Jagad Guru. its no wonder why the students in the Philippines were caught with their
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one thing I remember from all the lectures of Butler, is how obsessed he was with gay sex. I remember having serious doubts as to why a supposed enlightened being would be using the term "faggot" and "assholes". I began having serious doubts as a student in the schools when he would describe in detail how gay sex was performed. I learned from Butler lectures the gay ter
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corboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What kinds of income generating activites > do the Butlerite parents pursue? > > Do they work in the general community while > keeping secret their psychological servitude > to Butler? > > Or do many or most of them work in SOI affiliated > businesses? most followers i know lead a do
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if any of you havent seen this yet (also Butler followers listen up) i found this to be a comprehensive essay abot leaving the group. as usual just trade ISKON with Butler, Jagad Guru, SrilaPrabablybad, Science of Identity, Chaitanya Mission, Yoga Club etc whatever suits you. On Leaving ISKCON by Steven J. Gelberg, 1991 "When Prabhupada predicted, once, that ninety percent of his
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AC4711 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > growing up in Butlers cult of deception it is > true. We are taught the world we live in is bad, > we are here because we were bad in a past life. We > are not to make friends with people who are not in > the cult. Mr. butler called public schools places > where they grow sinners demons. Families took
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you would think that being "teacher of the WORLD" the chosen one, the prophet to end all prophets, god's best friend, the disciples would be screaming it from the rooftops. it was this very fact that made me have my doubts about the infallibility of the guru. in the 90's the movement tried to have a stronger online presence and decided to do some "projects" but we
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i feel sorry for the person who after had contributed to this site, went back into the cult because of family. i cant imagine how anyone can do that, after all the facts presented on here. i wanted to come onto here to give this thread a boost, i was seeing it sink below the others and felt disheartened that it was dying. when i came onto here, it was a the top of the message boards once ag
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"About Discover "Yoga of the Heart" Though Kirtan Yoga Community www.bhaktiyogashack.com Description Bhakti Yoga Shack hosts weekly Sacred Kirtan Gatherings Sunday 5.30pm Kirtan is a dynamic call-and-response sacred world music that incorporates the voices of the audience right into the performance. Kirtan is a spiritual journey, a form of bhakti yoga — the yoga of devotion.
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to the children (victims) of the non education of the Butler cult. i have found this open letter useful to acknowledge the tragedy. to the parents reading this forum and still in denial, open your hearts and your minds. release yourself from the mental slavery and realize you have been fooled. stop serving Butler. stop the insanity. I am a product of the second generation, and it is not eas
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what i have been noticing lately is that the Butler followers have been trying to join other groups (as far fetched as even some Christian groups, online and such) and trying to re-brand their movement. they are not saying they are Science of identity or Chaitanya Mission out loud, but will try and recruit new members in this manner.
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Bhakti is giving free kirtans wherever he goes, either in Orange County or a friends house. he goes by the moniker Jim Morrison Jr (a take from the Doors vocalist) he has an album he says he has recorded and going to release it. some of his lyrics are: MISSING by bhaktidas Part 1 The days of my life go on and on... I stop to catch a breath what am I running from... I thought I coul
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i wonder what Butler's followers are doing to protect their leader and themselves from the Fukushima radiation leak? mega doses of vitamin C?? maybe investing in some geiger meters? ah their reaction would be priceless to know. how's that for karma now? if one is to follow that kind of thinking.
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