Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: November 06, 2013 09:33PM

Extraordinary claims require extraordinarily strong evidence to back them up.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: just-googling ()
Date: November 09, 2013 02:37AM

Sorry I cannot supply extraordinary evidence to these claims right now. I do not work at the Pentagon or any governmental establishment ... only trying to put the jigsaw pieces together with supposed intelligence info leaking out via the internet, and another source claiming the same:

There are huge changes taking place in the Pentagon right now at this time--with the Positive Military in charge of the changes. These are the Military who work for the Light, and not the system that uses war as a means to control and gain money.

However, I can relate to this information as being truthful ... Intuition tells me that the Light will always overcome the dark. It seems pertinent to this thread as we have a Butler cult member who apparently did use WAR as a means to control and GAIN MONEY.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: November 10, 2013 12:25PM

Interesting new article on psychopaths---do you worship one?
This article relates that you may be working for/with a psychopath, but it can easily be applied to Butler as well:


7 Signs You're Working With a Psychopath
Look for these red flags that you're working with one

By Business Insider | Posted Nov 7th 2013 @ 5:00AM



How do you know when you're face-to-face with a psychopath? There are more out there than we'd like to imagine, and they all tend to exhibit essentially the same traits, says behavioral analyst Lillian Glass, a language expert who's worked with the FBI on unmasking signals of deception.

Psychopathy is an anti-social personality disorder where the sufferer tends to adopt erratic and impulsive behaviors. Psychopaths have an inability to internalize social norms.

While it's difficult to know how many psychopaths reside in the U.S., a survey cited in a Reuters article found that out of the 500 senior executive respondents in the U.S. and U.K., 26% said they had "observed or had firsthand knowledge of wrongdoing in the workplace" and 24% believed that those in the financial industry need to "engage in unethical or illegal conduct to be successful."

Based on Glass' new book "The Body Language of Liars," we pulled out seven red flags that you may be dealing with a psychopath in the cube next door.

They constantly use the past tense.

Researchers have found psychopaths use past tense more than present tense, which could signal that they're detached from the present, writes Glass.

They use cause-and-effect statements.

"Because psychopaths are entitled and see the world and others as theirs for the taking, researchers at the University of British Columbia found that they used more words such as 'because' and 'so that'" says Glass, since they tend to rationalize their actions with their own logic.

They talk excessively about their basic needs.

Since they're typically not occupied with anything else, psychopaths think about their basic needs a lot, such as food, shelter, and clothing, writes Glass. When talking about their basic needs, psychopaths tend to use twice as many words as usual or provide too much information.

They don't take responsibility or blame.

Psychopaths usually think that they're the victims, which comes from their sense of entitlement, says Glass.


"The psychopath will speak of himself in grandiose terms while blaming others and taking no responsibility for his actions," she says. You can hear this in the lack and emotion of their voice.

They contradict themselves often.

This may even happen within the same sentence. "[Psychopaths] will lie or omit information when you ask them a question, but they may tell you the truth if you rephrase the question slightly. Researchers have discovered that this has to do with the particular way their brain is wired," says Glass.

They are really bad at crying. (if they even cry at all)

"When [Susan Smith] gave a press conference and cried about her missing children, her fake tears were actually what raised suspicions that she was the killer," says Glass.

When psychopaths cry, Glass says they will often wipe underneath each eye, one at a time. "When people cry genuine tears they cry with both eyes, and so they will tend to wipe both eyes at once."

Their body language is different than what they say.

Glass says psychopaths will often say one thing, but their body language will tell a different story. For example, while saying the word "yes," the psychopath could be shaking their head no.


Take the Psychopath Challenge: Is your Guru a Psycho??

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: dabcult ()
Date: November 14, 2013 10:00AM

I got the information from a good source that Butler is a initiating people at a rate not seen for a long time .......20 new initiates in the last month alone

Looks like some people are eager to believe in a blue God and give 25% of their income ....All our millions words and videos does not seem to make much difference for those that just want to surrender to the GURU OF THE UNIVERSE

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: rrmoderator ()
Date: November 14, 2013 08:40PM

Ther is no law against "cult brainwashing" in the United States.

Gurus and assorted con men bilk, trick and deceive people daily.

Groups called "cults" go on and on and on recruiting new members, often through deceptive means, and then keeping them trapped through "mind games."

The best means of prevention is education, which is the purpose of this message and the larger archives of the Cult Education Institute.

See [www.culteducation.com]



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/14/2013 08:41PM by rrmoderator.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: dabcult ()
Date: November 15, 2013 04:14AM

Actually over the few years that I have participated in this forum
we have seen people ....leaving the BUTLER cult because they got informations
about the cult from the forum ......So yes education is the only way to discourage people to get out of cult .....yesterday there was a program on french television saying that 1000 (one thousands) new Jehovah witness are babtise EVERY DAY somewhere on the planet ...its just incredible that as much as cult horror stories are made public still so many more victims are ready to join cults .In the case of Butler
he claim to be a pure representative of Swami Bhaktivedanta ......and all evidence
point to the contrary .....Swami Bhaktivedanta was very very displease with him
for years on end .......but still he did not mind taking the ten of thousands $$$ that Butler would give to him in envelopes

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: rrmoderator ()
Date: November 15, 2013 04:19AM

The attrition rate of Jehovah's Witnesses is quite high. They lose about half or more of their young people raised within the religion. so the Witnesses need to baptize newbies to maintai their numbers.

Within Mormonism the largest single group may be "baptized address unknown."

You can never count on a group's self-reported membership. For example Scientology says it has millions of members, but it's more likely they have less than 100,000. Some say there may be less than 50,000 active Scientologists.

Education is key and sharing information about groups like the one led by Butler helps people. They can hopefully read about the group and learn helpful information before becoming too deeply involved.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: dabcult ()
Date: November 15, 2013 01:02PM

[roundelmike.com]

According to Mormon numbers its about 300,000 new members a year worldwide

But after 5 years of active membership they lose 50 % of new converts other research
shows..and stop giving their 10 % of their income

so be BUTLER or Mormons ....its a revolving door
But Butler even with a few thousands giving 25% of their income
Its a lot of money

They must get fresh recruits ....to keep the religion number on the up and ups

They have enourmous amounth of money to proletalyse ...anti cult very little money

Billboards should be erected ......saying STAY OUT OF CULTS ...save your sanity

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: jaggedguru ()
Date: November 17, 2013 10:29AM

what i have been noticing lately is that the Butler followers have been trying to join other groups
(as far fetched as even some Christian groups, online and such)
and trying to re-brand their movement.
they are not saying they are Science of identity or Chaitanya Mission out loud, but will try and recruit new members in this manner.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: November 18, 2013 04:50AM

kind of like pilot fish.

Pilot fish (aka remora) have a sticker on top of their heads. They latch themselves onto a bigger fish and the bigger fish drags them along.

Sort of like someone finding a way to sneak onto a bus without paying.

A more extreme analogy is provided by the behavior of a lamprey fish. This creature will latch its circle of fangs onto some unfortunate marine creature and feed on it.

Where churches are vulnerable is that members and clergy are kind and welcoming for the most part, try to think well of people.

It is very difficult to face that someone is coming in from the outside, implying respect for the belief system but having no respect for the belief system at all, and engaging in sheep stealing.

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