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9 years ago
DavidWish
Thousands of people have been hurt, and are continuing to get hurt, at many different locations where TZM members are actively involved and encouraging others to participate. If this is concerning to anyone here, please investigate. Thank you
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9 years ago
DavidWish
It seems reasonable and compassionate to me, to look clearly as possible at any situation that is causing harm to life. “Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way.” ¯ Martin Luther King Jr. Person A gives ins
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
9 years ago
DavidWish
It appears that there may be a deep connection between TMZ and Occupy, given the amount of people within Occupy that are TMZ members. Whether there is conspiracy or anything like, between Occupy and TMZ remains to be proved. Yet, it is certainly concerning. Given these two facts: 1. Thousands of people have been “physically hurt” doing Occupy actions. 2. TMZ has been a heavy supporter of
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
Here are some quick notes to the readers of this thread. 1. I am, and have been, emotionally involved with the issue of TZM. 2. I have taken note of the moderation of this thread and other threads concerning TZM/TVP, especially concerning personal attacks, etc. 3. I have personally witnessed the destructiveness of mentally abusive cults. 4. In the context of the word abuse, it has bee
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
I see the points you are both making and the direction. I am having a harder time with the clarity, as I was personally involved. As everyone that has followed this thread knows, the reason I perused the forum issue was that a comment of an anonymous moderator was proven to be deceptive. It had nothing to do with being banned or just a general inflammatory post being deleted. I would have t
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
The actual facts that are posted on the other thread: That is quite an archive of facts, data, events, comments, opinions, discussion, and links. I see deception. I only care about each person that considers TZM. I want them to understand that I have taken Lifton’s test and believe this is a dangerous thought reforming movement. This test was also on the first page of the longer threa
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
QuoteVTV QuoteDavidWish I know this for Prometheuspan, but I would like to give it shot to see if I understand correctly. 1. A charismatic leader, who increasingly becomes an object of worship as the general principles that may have originally sustained the group lose power. Jacques Fresco is such a charismatic leader. On his web page for the Venus Project, it is specifically noted that, “
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
Rick, corboy, etc. I do not know what do about this guy anymore. I would appreciate it if you all handled this from now on. I am tired of his lies. He is an abuser and is proud of his choices.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
I know this for Prometheuspan, but I would like to give it shot to see if I understand correctly. 1. A charismatic leader, who increasingly becomes an object of worship as the general principles that may have originally sustained the group lose power. Jacques Fresco is such a charismatic leader. On his web page for the Venus Project, it is specifically noted that, “The Zeitgeist Movement
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
Prometheuspan, Welcome to the Rick Ross forum. I can see that TZM and Neil have greatly upset you. I have read it is normal for a mentally healthy person to temporarily over react and be unreasonable, when faced with the irrational choices of others. I have read through some of your links and I am sorry you have gone through so much pain with this abusive cult. I should point out that a person s
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
As a factual note to others reading this thread, there were events that occurred before my posting of the deleted thread in TZM forum. After watching their movie I did a bit of searching online. I came across several articles. The list was quite large. I had much to look through. I spent a few hours looking around and noticed that some people were involved in a distributed computing project
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
QuoteVTVQuoteDavidWishVTV, I am going to be totally straight with you. I addressed everything. I can assure you that no rational mind agrees with you. They messed you up. I'm sorry. I can't help you. David, I posed the exact same argument that Mr. Ross suggested I pose to you. And that is thus: This forum has anonymous moderators. Meaning this ANTI-CULT forum. Your entire a
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
VTV, I have a real problem with having discussions with people when they insist on spelling things out and then utilize the large amount of data to find areas to distract from the core issue. I can handle a conversation on the level of accepted standards; whether it is an in-depth discussion or discussion where certain areas are accepted as givens, by both parties, all in the hopes of finding a
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
VTV, I am going to be totally straight with you. I addressed everything. I can assure you that no rational mind agrees with you. They messed you up. I'm sorry. I can't help you.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
QuoteVTV 1. One of the reasons for the confusion over what our organization is is because we state that we are not a "political movement". But in practice we are a political activist organization in the same context as Green Peace, Veterans for Peace, etc. We advocate an economic model designed for ecological sustainability. Not a religion, superstition, etc. (In fact a lot of our membe
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
I did save out the page using IE as a MHT archive. I did not think to mention that I did that, which is of benefit. That was a good idea to point that out for others. Let me add that the reason I have not posted a snap shot or reposted the thread on another board is possible copyright violation. I did not want to possibly break the law to prove my point. Thank you corboy. Your support and researc
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
BTW, here is that deleted post from their forums. Cached Google link to deleted post on TZM forums
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10 years ago
DavidWish
QuoteGaby_64Im sorry if you fail to understand what is presented and resort to childish accusations to try an belittle it. I understand. They have already taken over your brain. There is nothing childish about abuse. QuoteGaby_64TZM is not a cult, the only part close to a cult in TZM is the forum, thats it, the movement is not the forum. Yes, they are, because they support abuse. QuoteG
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10 years ago
DavidWish
Gaby_64, I am not anonymous. I am not James Kush. I am not even aware of who that is. I have no hidden agenda. I am sorry you cannot seem to, yet, see the red flags and understand it's implications on human development and growth. An organization need have only one problem to be identified. I would prefer that TZM decided to acknowledge their shortfalls. We all make mistakes. You posted
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
If Peter Joseph is the site adimn, and does not apoligize and make the necessary corrections, he will go down in history as being on the level of all other cultist leaders that destroyed people.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
I'm sorry you feel that way Gaby_64, but TZM is a cult. "If you do find some part of TZM that falls into the requirements of Robert J Lifton's checklist please explain" "The TZM forums are closed forums meant for members to discuss various topics relating to TZM, " I did discuss on the forum exactly why, and it was deleted. Any organization not confrontin
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
I called back and spoke with someone name Joel. We talked for a while and I asked him to contact Rick. He said they have no say so in TZM. That the movie is what Peter Joseph wanted and some of the people in the movie were displeased with how their views were used and presented. I told him that commonsense says, "Nothing can be built on lies." That TZM lacks transparency and fits the
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
Correction, The person I spoke with identified herself as Roxanne. It was probably Roxanne Meadows.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
I called Mr. Jacque Fresco and was told by Jacque that Jacque would not come to the phone, by someone identifying herself as Maxine. I explained to her that TZM was acting with a lack of transparency and was abusing its members with cultist ways of suppression and thought. I told her that the organization needs to commit to cultist reform, as indicated by the professional community. She did not
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
Quotecorboy He and his followers believed and still believe that they are entitled to conceal the background of their methods from the public on grounds that anyone exposed ... (will be)... better that people unknowingly benefit than that they be told up front and risk being alienated. You said it right there. It assumes superiourity, righousness, and divine intervention. It's final resu
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
I went back to that thread I started over there in their forums and noticed that a top moderator had replied, with others. He accused me of not reading his post, but had responded so quickly, it was clear he had not read over the materials here that I linked to. I told him that he was actually not being transparent, condescending, etc., and that he was busted for exactly was he was saying about m
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
Corboy, Thank you for your hard work researching this current cult. I became a memeber of their forum yesterday and had to pass a test, just to post and speak my opinion. Just like you said, "Key question: is free exchange of ideas and disagreements possible? Or are discussions controlled." The answer is yes. I posted this on their webiste this morning. They are now respondi
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
I have recently come across some video and reading from this organization. I have found they present some decent ideas. The more I have looked into this group and read the writings of many of it members I have found that there are unjustified argumentive behaviors exhibited by many of the so called followers. I recently came across this link discussing them as exhibiting some of the characteristi
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
I am aware of those threads. :) I guess what I am trying to say, in addition to the thank you, is that I recommend other readers that feel they don't need to explore this place because they are not a "push over", may want to reconsider the fact that they themselves are probably making some "persuasive" mistakes in their lives and review of additional information here is a
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
DavidWish
I originally found this place because of a hit on Google involving the Christ Family. I spent about a year, with one or a few people on the road, about 30 years ago. Since then, I have had some very painful physical damage to my body, added on top of years of painful emotional abuse. I found myself committing mistakes in working with those I loved. I personally shunned all the drugs for pain.
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