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Im sorry if you fail to understand what is presented and resort to childish accusations to try an belittle it.
I understand. They have already taken over your brain. There is nothing childish about abuse.
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TZM is not a cult, the only part close to a cult in TZM is the forum, thats it, the movement is not the forum.
Yes, they are, because they support abuse.
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And you going on the forum as a non-member to falsely and unreasonably go and accuse TZM of being a cult violates the rules and gives you the type of reaction you wanted.
If the rules do not allow us to call others out for abuse, then what good are they? Any reasonable person seeing anonymous moderators should have spoken up. Anyone that did was kicked out or left, and the ones that are left are brainwashed to into accepting such a controlling abusive environment.
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So stop whining and start explaining, whether or not TZM is a cult is debatable so you do not hold the upper hand on whether it is or not.
The debate is over. Whether or not you and others are willing to accept the simple truth is another matter.
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Saying that TZM is abusive and controlling is very false, you are the one who was abusive and therefor control was put in action by you're own actions.
I was for real. I wasn’t about to hand my life over to them. I wanted to learn more. I was met with red flags everywhere when I joined the board. I was lied to immediately by your directors. I would call that abuse. They abused me. I’ll be fine and get over it, but it was abuse. The only reason I will be fine is I’m not buying into anything you people have to say. Apparently, not a single member can tell the truth from a hole in the ground and they want to make positive change? Truth is easily talked about. Doing it is another matter entirely. Your plan is seriously flawed and bound to restrict true personal growth and responsibility. You guys want to teach sustainability and responsibility and not a single person there is yet to be responsible and uphold the truth. Nothing is sustainable without the truth. You guys are done having any respect until these issues are properly addressed. Go ahead; tell everyone you know about TZM. They will find this post here. The BS is over. TZM is currently an abusive cult. It has been proven.
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This is not a serious matter as TZM is obviously not a cult, it is a scientific sustainability advocacy movement, no brainwashing and participation is voluntary.
Yes, it is. You are clearly brainwashed yourself. You are diverting away from my previous response. It appears to be too difficult for you to grasp at this point in time. In the future, with professional help, real help, you should be fine.
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You seriously cannot expect all members to uphold the values advocated by TZM, the social brainwashing is way to persistent to be overcomed with facts, you also cannot say hypocracy has any relevance.
Hypocrisy is always relevant when you are talking about abusive cults and controlling freedom of thought and expression, with LIES.
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Yes it would be allot better if we all acted respectfully and all had the same morals but we are not a cult and we cannot control peoples actions. The movement is only the activist arm of the venus project, as such its goal is to educate people about the venus project, it does not mean we are part of a commune and must abide to strict rules.
Your cult is not ready to educate anyone. It needs to stop and self govern with transparency and basic human respect, FIRST.
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I think you're attempts to label the movement as a cult are pointless as the word itself is way to bloated with other associations to be applied to us, mention the specific problem and we will discuss the solutions.
You are entitled to your opinion, however, one person already has posted in this tread that he had never heard of your cult. He sees the same red flags I do. So, my opinion is that others will also eventually read this thread. You guys are done for good now. This will never go away. Apologies from Peter, the forum members that disagreed, corrections to the group’s way of handling things, replacement of my post on the boards, and an acceptance of the truth are all in order and required.
I should also add that any money in the movement needs to go directly to doctors to pay for treatment for the recovery of the members. If it takes every cent that Peter has, then so be it. He can start over on his own life after he has paid for the necessary treatment for everyone affected.
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A separate open forum could be a start? But such forum can be externalized and created by anyone, the discussions can happen also on other forums so its almost pointless.
This is an external forum. It was not created by just anyone either. If you read through it you will find many positive and decent people that have been helped here. It is far from pointless. It is all that matters up front. No mission is worthy until it makes the actual choices to actually tell the truth and uphold the truth, instead of just "saying", "telling the truth is important".
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If you do not like the forum and wish to be part of the movement simply go to a chapter or create you're own, physical presence and activism is much better then simply going on the forum to discuss things. But of course if you do see a problem in the organization of the movement then please address it and present a solution.
My IP was banned, as were many others, from what I have read around the web. It was them that decided to not discuss being a cult and address these legitimate issues of lies and abuse. If my feather were ruffled at all, it was becasue of the way everything was presented by your group.
The solution has already been stated. Get out! They will never listen until they are buried in law suits and everyone walks away. That is what it takes. Walk away and do not let them steal one more second of your life. You are more then a pawn of people with a higher education used for self gratification through controlling others. All the great things you have to offer the human race are going to waste on these liars.
This is not my pet project. I'm done and need to move on.