Ah yes. Stever Robbins. NLP Trainer to wannabe cult leaders. And you better believe that advanced NLP Trainers have gone and carefully studied and NLP modeled (copied) the exact techniques used by the most successful (richest) cult leaders in the world. They study it systematically, and make their own private manuals. As once that have that kind of knowledge condensed, they can market it
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@@walter1963 Please stay around these threads, if you can. There is a ton of hypno-NLP info here, but we need more. And name some names if you can! Stever Robbins has been named, he's a buddy of Byron Katie too. Tad James & Co have been named too. So naming names in the NLP-hypno world, while explaining their techniques is very important. There are hundreds of them out ther
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Gotta totally disagree with that! Things have progressed by light-years since Houdini was dealing with cold-reader spiritualists. The LGAT seminar and NLP persuasion experts are now able to engineer how people make decisions in that seminar environment. They do that extremely carefully, just read their disclaimers where they talk about how everything done in the seminar is "voluntary"
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The NLP for Dummies books don't go into the advanced persuasion aspects of NLP that are being used in these other areas. NLP has also modeled/copied SALES in great detail, and that is a separate study. They also fused that with conversational hypnosis and advanced language patterns. It can take YEARS of study and practice to figure that stuff out. By the way, as an aside, everyone can
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Its an important link. Matthew B. James "says" he was doing spiritual training at age 5, and was exposed to Muktananda Siddha Yoga in childhood. Of course that would come from his parents and father Tad James who was one of the main people in NLP hypnosis in the early years. Many NLPers took the NLP modeling/copying tech, and applied it to "spiritual" pursuits. They would
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Its interesting how many new agey belief systems always pathologize healthy direct psychological self-defense mechanisms, and seek to soften healthy boundaries, and make people more "accepting" of outrageous and bad behavior. Some of the direct rebukes of James Ray on Twitter are excellent, and are certainly extremely healthy. For example, the STFU response directed at James Ray, is di
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That is totally correct, and it also applies to post-NLP, that is, people who do variants of NLP but call it another names, there are dozens of them. The NLPers in seminars get people hyped up to think they can do basically anything with their tech, and then sign them up to more expensive trainings. They take fairly naive and credulous people in the audience, and sell them on the idea that &quo
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no, that post was up before seeing your post. That was a general comment about those who sell NLP for a living, and charge thousands and thousands for "trainings" in NLP, like Stever Robbins and professional NLPers at that level. Also local level NLP trainers, and those who claim NLP certification, with or without evidence. A person new to NLP may have had NLP reframed in their mi
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It also gets so tiresome, to hear the same little games being played by the NLPers, year after year, trying to reframe NLP using persuasion tech derived from NLP, and related practices. They just do that to try and manipulate newbies, who are the only ones who are going to spend money anyway. There is a huge well-known industry of advanced covert persuasion tech that has been codified into mode
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On the Droid website there appears to be yet another NLP war brewing...the kind that makes your eyes glaze over and your head start nodding yes as you read the words and sign the contract for advanced seminar training now, as time is running out and there is only one space left... Generic "NLP" went out of vogue many years ago, and has a terrible reputation both technically and in te
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""If you can't embrace the dark you'll never dance in the light" James Ray is using metaphor pacing-leading in his Twitter-persuasion. He sets the metaphors up, and then moves them along to shape meaning and perception. James Ray has set himself up as "the light", and he suggests his followers to "dance in the light". He has framed his manslaugh
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Well, not that Dave Lakhani needs a defense, as frankly criticism of his techniques would help his marketing to the target market that wants to learn to persuade and manipulate to the maximum degree possible, including "mind control" and creating a "cult following"... But at least he's put a definition like the one below in writing. Others have called what he is talkin
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One thing about Dave Lakhani, is at least he admits there is such a thing as advanced unconscious persuasion techniques. Even though he immediately tries to misdirect away from some of the most powerful techniques, at least he admits there are many dozens of techniques that are being used all over the place. Notice how people like Byron Katie, Stever Robbins, and many others will literally DE
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Yes, that was modeling the NLP manipulative persuasion patterns copied from the written text of Alex Benzer. Of course we all agree that evidence is required. Michael Beckwith gives zero evidence for any of his extreme claims, like healing disease with his techniques. Its up to Beckwith and Benzer to provide the evidence, as they are the ones who are making the claims and the money. Those wh
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@ chicky monkey Thanks for your report, it contains an enormous amount of important information. One of the most interesting things you said, is your BK roomate was an NLPer, who went back to be "STAFF". That is how it works. That roomate, if really experienced in NLP would see most of what Byron Katie was doing to people with her techniques, and how much money Byron Katie w
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You would have to wish that people would be about a million times more careful around these types of guys, and those like them. You can't go into a seminar room or wilderness reatreat with these advanced hypnotic persuaders, its too dangerous, they are too skilled. For example, Stever Robbins knows all of them same techniques, as well as many other people. Notice all those guys have been
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By the way, in terms of the advanced hypnosis, ask Stever Robbins about it, he knows all about it. That's right Stever, he knows what its all about, Stever knows EXACTLY what Byron Katie does, he knows precisely what James Ray does, and all the rest of them. All they think about is their own payday, and too bad for the collateral damage, like peoples minds getting crushed. Also, the Sle
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There are a zillion links out there. Persuasion101 Sales and Persuasion By: Owen Fitzpatrick The Essence of Leadership By: Stever Robbins
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Another aspect of James Ray that has not been examined, and is being missed, is his use of LANGUAGE and METAPHORS. For example, he recently used this phrase. QUOTE: "I have taken heat for that decision" Some people have suggested that was a mistake in unintentional bad taste on the part of James Ray..."taken heat". Its not. Those who think that is a mistake, are not
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On that point, the "board breaking" incident with James Ray is instructive. __________________________________ QUOTE: "A May 2005 event at Disney World, where a New Jersey woman shattered her hand after Ray allegedly bullied her into performing a ritualistic board-breaking exercise... In the Disney World incident, a 2005 negligence lawsuit charged a "reckless" Ray pu
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There appears to be some new information posted on the Janaki blog? Its written in red, in the middle of the page, linked below. Its about how one of the houses in Barstow, the basement was filled with boxes of books of this kind of material. Now of course, the trained eye can see the direct copying, and slight modifcation of various techniques, as has been shown many times in this thread
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Stever Robbins gets technical...about using Ericksonian language patterns in German, which has different grammatical structures. ___________________________________ QUOTE EXCERPT: "Much of early NLP was based on the work of Virginia Satir, a family therapist; Fritz Perls, founder of Gestalt therapy; Gregory Bateson, anthropologist; and Milton Erickson, hypnotist. It was Erickson'
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And messing around with "grammar" is pretty much lesson #1 in advanced conversational hypnotherapy. Its a huge subject. But the first thing you learn is to shift tenses (past-present), and nouns, verbs, and to scramble it up. Some of it is to confuse the conscious mind, and trigger a transderivational search. They also use Transformational Grammar, Artfully Vague language patterns,
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There is a tiny hope, that maybe a couple of the old NLP-hypno-persuasion people will come forward and write a detailed book for the general public, explaining all of the persuasion techniques being used on them. They could even make some decent money selling a book, that could help people see what is going on. And they don't even have to mention any specific names. But they are afraid
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another interesting thing about the Stever Robbins Manipulation 101. There was speculation about why someone like Stever Robbins would make hundreds of posts on blogs like a SHAMblog? And those questions caused a bit of a firestorm. But its explained even in his own basic Manipulation 101 and his Innoculations. QUOTE: "How to "pre-frame" the debate so that objections are
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The thing with these advanced NLP-style persuaders and conversational hypnotherapists...like the Stever Robbins type of guys, (there are many many of them out there...) First off, anyone who has been immersed in it for decades, has a profoundly different way of looking at the world, and at people. Very serious intellectual arrogance is part of that system, as they generally are very intellige
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QuoteChristaQuoteThe Anticult Hate to bring up Stever Robbins again, but he is far far worse, as he is trying to act naive. Oh, I don't think it's possible bring up Stever Robbins too much. But we've never talked about his most perplexing characteristic: his degrees from 2 of the best universities in the world, ... Regarding Stever Robbins degrees, not sure having an MBA ma
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MANIPULATION 101 by Stever Robbins. Notice below: - PRE-FRAME the debate so objections are IMPOSSIBLE - non-verbal signals to trigger emotions - lock people into your point of view, even if they disagree. This is not even the tip of the iceberg with this guy, and he is using those methods currently trying to confuse his connection with Byron Katie and others. Byron Katie uses all of the
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and Stever Robbins would know all about Ross Jeffries and the NLP applications of hypnosis to "seduction". Its the exact same techniques used by many of the LGAT guru's, but just focussed on your purse. Here is a webpage where they mention that Ross Jeffries was at the advanced NLP workshop with Richard Bandler, where Bandler recommended him. Stever Robbins constantly talks abo
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"Pickup Artists" and "The Seduction Community" QuoteStoic I then watched this clip which I think is Jeffries with a better personal image, demonstrating his technique to Louis Theroux. This doesn't look at all staged to me and the induction is quite slick. I assume there is a post-hypnotic suggestion planted for the girl seems to follow the two men the way a lost duckli
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