QuoteStoic I then watched this clip which I think is Jeffries with a better personal image, demonstrating his technique to Louis Theroux. This doesn't look at all staged to me and the induction is quite slick. I assume there is a post-hypnotic suggestion planted for the girl seems to follow the two men the way a lost duckling will follow any moving object. pick-up in action A couple more
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There is more new excellent information in the thread about "The Game" "Pickup Artists" and "The Seduction Community". That is a thread to watch. They are doing the exact same techniques as described in this thread, only using a slightly different context. But its not that different, as its all about "seduction" and manipulation. There are very speci
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QuoteChrista ..I just can't bring myself to believe this sort of nasty manipulation is really going on. The guy in the clip was dorky and unattractive, and if a strange man plopped himself down that close to me while I was out with a girlfriend I'd like to think my defenses would shoot right up to high alert, but I honestly don't know. IOW, this is not a guy I would automatica
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There is almost unbelievably shilling for Michael Neill's books by Stever Robbins. Stever has the #1 Amazon review for his previous book called You Can Have What You Want. The "review" of the book by Stever Robbins is also highly self-promotional, with yet another version of his own Story, with no mention of the advanced covert NLP-persuasion techniques part, of course. (Tha
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Stever Robbins highly recommends Michael Neill who wrote a book, FEEL HAPPY NOW! and who is another NLP supersalesman and seminar guru, who is linked with Steve Hardison. ____________________________ blog.steverrobbins.com] May 26, 2009 at 2:01 pm "I just got off the phone with my ex-coach and good friend Michael Neill. He’s just published his fourth book and is ramping up to doing a
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As mentioned, there is cross-over between some of the techniques being used by Byron Katie, and even some of the techniques being promoted by some of these new creepy pick-up artists Guru's. There is an interesting thread starting here, its veering a bit off-topic, but there is an excellent core idea there to be researched. Notice the techniques are very similar to SOME of those being disc
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Quotesparrow"Meta" as used by the NLP community (comes from the greek word) usually means something that is "beyond" or "adjacent" to something else. ... In terms of manipulation (er sorry I mean "influence" !) what is really being referred to here is that communication occurs on many levels. ... Other later studies have changed these figures up or dow
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Well, not to go off-topic or anything, just 2 cents from this side of the fence. Contrary to what most cults teach, disagreement, and vigorous disagreement is very healthy. There was some criticism of this thread that only ONE point-of-view is tolerated, and that is just not true. Its a deliberate falsehood. There are many points of view in it, for those who actually read it. And the mode
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Stever Robbins made a blog post, since removed, which seems to have used a GUN as a metaphor? and guns are a favorite metaphor of Byron Katie in her Stories too. The words that remain are..."overcome-resistance" ? OVERCOMING RESISTANCE? a favorite subject of all persuaders. and of course, right after the blog was posted, Carol Skolnick was chiming on on the Byron Katie refe
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and to paraphrase Rodney Dangerfield... Michael Neill is no bargain either. Another Supercoach and Feel Happy Now! Michael Neill says he is a licensed Master Trainer of Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP)http://www.geniuscatalyst.com/michael.php and worked with Richard Bandler So yet another advanced NLPer master hypnotist, going all touchy-feely airy-fairy for the public. any conne
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There are a few people who are saying that Steve Hardison is their "coach" or former coach in their blogs. Of course they are also coaches. Convenient. Coach Andrea Stephen McGhee And then you have Stever Robbins getting in on the Steve Hardison act. He does a marketing pitch for Steve Hardison, and not mentoning there are NO REFUNDS of your $150K. Its pretty subtle what
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There is so much in this blog post, in the post referenced by Meadow here. There are the base-level meanings of course. But Byron Katie is also master of metaphors, the kind of stuff Stever Robbins teaches in Mastering Metaphors. There is so much there, too much to go into now. But one must always remember to take a few steps back, and look at the larger metaphors being used. Look at t
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Yes, of course, they are all in cahoots with eachother, doing eachother's cross-marketing, to lure in the Marks and suckers if they can find them. They don't get that many of them, but at $150K a pop in advance, you don't need many. And the $150K is just the START, they will do everything to keep it going for YEARS and YEARS. And they will upsell from there too. Its almost unbeli
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also, by the way...the basic NLP techniques were initially designed to HELP people be more effective. Same with the hypnotherapy stuff. The techniques were originally used to help people be more generative, and more effective. If the NLP guys like Stever Robbins were being up-front, they would ADMIT to the specific techniques being used, but say they are being used to help people. Then expla
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Just for a point of reference, the comment from the blog above by Steven Sashen, is just another tactic. Deny and distract. And he is also trying to use sarcasm at the end, there is no way he is going to post anywhere where people might question or challenge his sales methods, or the claims he makes. He only posts where he is protected from real questions, or has control of which responses ge
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Again, notice the tricky language being used by Stever Robbins, on that blog comment, which will go unchallenged. and its the standard "get them on the phone" technique, which if you don't have the training, its easy to be persuaded of almost anything by a professional like Stever. He's a pro, with decades of experience in persuasion. He knows if he puts his detailed comme
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here are some hypnosis scripts, related to Stever Robbins, anyone can find in seconds. So you see how these guys do it, all of these weasel words to play with your perceptions of reality. This is amateur hypnosis? What a joke, maybe he really is into comedy, or perhaps FARCE? These are some of the most advanced hypnotic techniques that can be used, and this is from 15 years ago. Byron Ka
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a little more on Stever Robbins. Did Stever get Byron Katie into Twitter? Notice that Stever is listed as following over 1000 other people on Twitter. That is very extreme, that could be hundreds of messages everyday, and Byron Katie is high on his list. Also notice his very tricky so-called Twitter Bio. Notice how he plays the opposites against eachother, on purpose. ----------------------
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Here is a little more information about Stever Robbins methods, as the advanced persuasion techniques he teaches and uses explain some of the same techniques being used by Byron Katie. Its important, as even though Byron Katie does all sorts of different techniques, many of the techniques she does, overlap with the NLP persuasion methods. Please take a moment to carefully read the technical e
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ah, why didn't Stever Robbins disclose that he attended a Byron Katie seminar? Did he attend the full 9-Day School for the Work? _______________QUOTE_____ Stever Robbins Message posted: 15th Feb 08, 11:58 pm "For example, Byron Katie had more murderers, ex-convicts, and child molestors at the seminar I attended than I've ever seen at NLP seminars. Does this mean Katie i
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ah, interesting. The posts that have been blocked from the SHAMblog were thought to be about Byron Katie. But it appears they were posts about "members" of the blog, so one would assume that would be Stever Robbins and/or Sashen? Here's the problem. Those 2 guys SELL their so-called "self-help" stuff for MONEY for a LIVING. Its their full-time job. They have both
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Its somewhat morbidly fascinating how anything to do with Byron Katie turns so toxic and radioactive. Why would such an over-the-top flame-out occur? Hard to say for sure. But one thing that is interesting, is how so many posts around Byron Katie move so quickly into being blocked and controlled. For example, the Byron Katie forums do not allow any criticism of Byron Katie, and they have del
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this thread has flamed up a number of times, as its dealing with very very COMPLEX situations, which are highly emotional, and its easy to miscommunicate with plain-text when people are rushed. There is nothing simple about what is going on here. There are very skilled people who are literally playing with how large groups of people represent "reality" in their minds. Steve Saler
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hmm, I agree we should keep the thread on track, which is looking at Byron Katie and her methods and associates. But as far as Steve Salerno and SHAMblog, as I have mentioned before, what has happened here has been miscommunication, going both ways. Being more familiar with his book, and a little of his blog, he was trying to make a larger point, as can be seen as he called the self-help p
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In the context of LGAT's and culty Guru's on this, the answer is a big NO. Because the "ideas" are not given in an honest way. The reason is that these folks are highly skilled at deception. Any professional liar will tell you, the best way to lie, is to tell mostly truth, and then just slip the lies in. Or to tell the Big Lie. The example of Hitler actually proves tha
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hmm, it looks like there may be a misunderstanding here, which is easy to happen with so many posts flying by. This thread actually has mentioned SHAMblog many times, due to its mentioning Byron Katie, something like the Guruphiliac blog situation. And there were some very recent comments about SHAMblog in this thread, about how its such a "co-incidence" that Byron Katie promoters
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I agree with much of what Steve Salerno said above, but some parts need more refinement. One of the things which has been mentioned in this thread many times, is that those who SELL these advanced persuasion techniques EXAGGERATE what they can do, so they can charge more money for it. Its the scammers, scamming the wannabe scammers. That is why one should never purchase any of their products
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even more interesting, is if one takes an even closer look at the text and the metaphors in the article by Stever Robbins, on that site that appears to be run by Steven Sashen. The basic Story of the article by Stever Robbins, is that if you take your best suit to the CLEANERS, and it gets wrecked by their negligence, then you are supposed to feel HAPPY-JOY-JOY about this, as opposed to se
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yeah, that sure does sound like Steve Salerno. Maybe he will do a blog post someday about the possibilty that possible targets of his critical analysis or their colleagues, may be trying to "curry favor" and become his online "friend", as a way to shape his perceptions on various issues. And also try to steal his thunder, by associating themselves with him and his blog, to
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Byron Katie's good friend Stever Robbins is an extremely complicated and sophisticated persuader, and would have to be disassembled piece by piece. He is all over the place. For people who have been familiar with the advanced NLP world for many years, this guy sets every alarm bell ringing at once, and not in a good way. The most healthy response when you see someone running these kinds
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