I keep getting this one and I have so much i want to say about this topic. It has turned my wife into someone who i do not recognize. All of her worst qualities are amplified and we are getting divorced after 10 years (we have 2 kids both adopted and I won't let her infect their minds with this self centered, vapid, hocus pocus!) I am going to the mat on this one. My outrage is energizin
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QuotebilliesueIt seems no one has responded in almost 2 years. I cannot find anything damning about Abraham-Hicks. I have seen Abraham/Ester speak on video and if this is fake she is good. There are no pauses, such as a...like if I were speaking. The thoughts flow like from another source, maybe I am a sucker but I have learned a great deal. Research some of the greats in history, their live
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It seems no one has responded in almost 2 years. I cannot find anything damning about Abraham-Hicks. I have seen Abraham/Ester speak on video and if this is fake she is good. There are no pauses, such as a...like if I were speaking. The thoughts flow like from another source, maybe I am a sucker but I have learned a great deal. Research some of the greats in history, their lives illustrate w
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QuoteREALnothings ... I still deal with these extraversion/introversion issues and uncertainties in myself and with my behavior. ... ... So much karma/energy had been generated by my relations with the group, though, that For at least a week or two I felt like someone who'd just withdrawn cold-turkey from a prolonged period of psychedelic drug use. It's interesting that you put it t
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Have you read any of the transcripts from the webinars? Yeah, I know, it's a LOT of reading, and probably more than most of us would want to do. I figured that despite my woo allergy, since I seem to be immune to Tolle's charms for some odd reason (my mind and my ego are just not allowing me to "get it", LOL!), it might be safe for me to check out the chapter 10 transcript.
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Well, it looks like the information is out regarding what is next for the Oprah church. Starting May 12, she is going to present "Oprah's Soul Series", in which "Oprah sits down with leading spiritual teachers, thinkers and authors to talk about matters of the soul". This will be webcast on Mondays. And for the summertime, "It's Not Too Late to
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i hear...rumor...they have a million dollar a month business
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wow.................thats info
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Bugaboo22, I'm curious as to the source of your information on Jerry Hicks. There doesn't seem to be a lot of reliable information on him and you seem to know a lot about his history. Can you verify that the circus story is not true and I had not heard that he was married to the daughter of the Amway founder. The clown stuff is also very interesting.
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Great posts, Anticult. You obviously know a lot about this stuff. (My replies will be in bold) Anticult said: Ah...so if you were looking around at skeptic websites and DOUBTING then you were not really into New Thought 100%! You needed to believe harder! :-) (kidding) ! That is the trap, of course. The only way, they say, you can really get it to "work" is to Believe
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Hi Anticult, I WAS into the New Thought movement, but maybe not so much so that I couldn't get out. I actually started reading skeptics' blogs and this website, especially those threads you've mentioned, about a year ago, and even while I was still in it, I continued to enjoy skeptic websites as well. I found the people to be intelligent and forthright, and I admired their cle
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DownToEarth, have you read the threads here about The Secret? THE SECRET thread There are also threads about A Course In Miracles...ACIM. ACIM is just ridiculous, I had that book years ago. There are also threads here about Abraham-Hicks. The Hicks are just old-fashioned carnival barkers, out to make money money money. Its interesting that Oprah has said the public isn'
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You know, on my way out of the new agey cult-type stuff, Eckhart Tolle was THE thing that gave me the biggest push...OUT the door. Yes, ironic, eh? I had tried to read The Power of Now quite a while ago, and not only could I not get into it, but I actually felt very negative about it. I stopped reading it. Then I heard about Oprah's big endorsement of "A New Earth". The book
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Oops, I'm sorry, I see there has already been a lot written about Sashen on this board. I obviously missed reading part of this thread. My apologies. I'm 'woo free' for about a month now , and after briefly going to BK's homepage a while back, I felt this sensation of being sucked back in, like quick sand around my ankles. I decided at that point that I needed to tr
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Sparta"Abraham says that we shouldn't try to control what others do. Murderer's, child molestors, rapists and thieves...it is not our job to control them and the victim invited those events onto themselves!!! Are you kidding me? " Sparta, you spoke my heart! I can't believe his stuff on the art of allowing and blaming the victim. ?!?!?!?! besee
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I think people get sucked into Abraham Hicks because at first you only hear loving messages. Its all about joy. Which in itself is a beautiful thing and really makes you feel like you discovered the answer to life. But...But....there is a whole different side to the Abraham Hicks teachings. Its the side you don't discover until you've gone through some of their work and older record
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Yes, its a good idea to get the exact text of what she says about sexual and physical abuse, and trauma, and other psychological issues. Of course books are run through the publishers and scrubbed as clean as possible...you might just find mainly very carefully parsed language. It might be more revealing to find some video, or online postings, or pamphlets, etc. But its an amazing Miracle.
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I know for a fact that there are a number of lies in this article, spun to minimize and glorify Ester and Jerry. Jerry did sell Amway and broke up Ester's first marriage while he too was married. And don't discount her Amway ties either. Furthermore, for the period from about 1958 until 1968 or so he was a clown at state fairs, birthday parties etc., not an actor musician, MC, etc. Full
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Here is the direct link to the other Byron Katie thread. Byron Katie (the Work) and Eckhart Tolle Legit?? and here is a search of this forum for Byron Katie to catch any other posts and threads. Thanks for bringing this thread up, as I had not seen it. The weird thing about these groups, is that even though the Leader may appear to be a flake, someone very very sane and savvy is r
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I bought the book Ask and It Is Given, in which Esther Hicks channels Abraham. After watching the original version of The Secret, featuring Esther Hicks, I started reading the book. I started having doubts about this teaching very quickly. I found several examples in the book of what I consider to be total nonsense, and then, after reading some opinions on the internet, I literally threw the b
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What a VERY childish and immature thing to say: Go to Amazon and look for the second book, then click on "Read all customer reviews", then "Lowest Rating First". The reviews of those who were unimpressed make for some interesting reading. Go to the Lowest Ratings first. Why? Are you afraid that if you start at the good ratings, people may actually say they like the b
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Quotemidwest.mommaQuoteI am sorry for the ones who latch on to say it's this or that outside of their control that has damned them. I really am. I used to play that victim role as well, and it served its purpose. Then I realized I have a say in this life of mine. Now that I've stepped up to the plate and take responsibility for my life, it looks a whole lot different. Don't pity
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QuoteI am sorry for the ones who latch on to say it's this or that outside of their control that has damned them. I really am. I used to play that victim role as well, and it served its purpose. Then I realized I have a say in this life of mine. Now that I've stepped up to the plate and take responsibility for my life, it looks a whole lot different. Don't pity me. I don't w
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Quotemidwest.mommaQuoteThe only reason the Abraham-Hicks material is selling like hotcakes is because we all, down very deep, have one common desire: to be happy, to feel LOVE. This equates to different things for different people. However, that's the bottom line, at the end of the day. And their material puts the process in the hands of the person who desires, rather than saying the power i
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QuoteThe only reason the Abraham-Hicks material is selling like hotcakes is because we all, down very deep, have one common desire: to be happy, to feel LOVE. This equates to different things for different people. However, that's the bottom line, at the end of the day. And their material puts the process in the hands of the person who desires, rather than saying the power is outside of you.
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I am thankful for this forum. I was looking for it. I'm not sure what prompted me to type *abraham hicks cult* into my Google search engine, but when I did I was given several resources and this one of them. I've read through this entire 9 page post and I clearly understand both sides of the story here. I am writing this post to shed some light from my perspective. I started to r
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oh thank goodness i've found this discussion. while i post here i suspect my name has been bandied about in abe-land. i recently lost my best friend of over twenty years to esther and jerry. she's not only part of their current inner circle,,but she's been working for them for months,i fear without renumeration.. she gave away or threw away all of her possesions and has gone on
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Bigdog, so the Abers got mad at you? How traumatic. You should try and disagree with anybody in this forum. Same story. So here we have a tit for tat situation. I don't see why the Abers should be doormats and turn the other cheek when there is so much hostility around. I absolutely agree with you about the rampant paranoia that plagues this site. Every thing that moves is an evil cult. Oooo
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If my purpose in this life is to save a family from being destroyed by Abraham-Hicks, then that is exactly what I intend on doing! This self centered self absorbed selfish following gives reason to do whatever you want whether it is moral or not and it doesn't matter who it affects in the process. I had a conversation with a gentleman who I didn’t realize at the time was into A-H, and whe
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do they gross a million a month ???? i had a friend who was caught up in their message of " you can have it all'!!!!!!!
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