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14 years ago
The Anticult
That was some sarcasm about being a victim of the government! The tweet linked to an audio recording if anyone was able to access it. Christina Merkley is saying it was a "complex vibrational co-creation" these crazy New Age belief systems can drive people insane, and they don't know it. ChristinaMerk Christina Merkley twitter.com/ChristinaMerk @lizmarshall also, Abra
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
Penelope
QuoteThe AnticultBy they way, Abe-Hicks tour the country in some type of massive motorhome. You can be 100% certain, that Abe-Hicks do not hold their assets in their own names either, they probably lease the motorhome from their own company as a tax-write off, and keep their corps in the red as well. Abe-Hicks started with Amway, and then went where the REAL serious money is, New Wage hocus-poc
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
The Anticult
The convenience with the New Wage crapola like Abe-Hicks, is that they can always blame the victim. No matter what happens, they blame the victims, as they they say they attracted it through the LOA. But of course that never applies to the Guru, only to the followers. It would be interesting to see what complaints have been lodged against Abraham-Hicks in terms of people getting ripped-off,
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
The Anticult
The ridiculous exploitative New Wage channeling sect/cult/scam Abraham-Hicks are deflecting for James Ray. Abraham-Hicks search Abraham-Hicks Some followers and business partner cultists can be truly unbelievable, and very dangerous. Here you have someone who has had 4 people die and many injured in their seminars, and is charged by the state, and could have many more charges coming.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
Penelope
I can imagine the advice she and her fellow enlightened new age teachers would give to the Haitian victims: Byron Katie -become a vase of flowers Rhonda Byne - stop attracting earthquakes! Eckhart Tolle - you are way too attached to form, stop being so egotistical Neale Donald Walsh - there are no victims Abraham-Hicks - let them eat cake
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
scfar
It's really funny if you get one the older tapes when Esther was trying to sound like Jane Robert's Seth. The Abraham accent was real heavy and fake when she was channeling. I guess they found out people would believe anything and so she dropped most of the accent. Abraham was also predicting major earth changes in California at that time. That was popular with all the psychics in the 1
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
14 years ago
Penelope
I've been fascinated by the paranormal from a very young age, and I've read many new age books as an adult. I stayed away from the "channeled" stuff for a long time, I think mainly due to my Christian upbringing. (I always had a fear that somehow it might be 'satanic' or something silly like that.) When I finally got over that fear, I picked up a copy of The N
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
14 years ago
The Anticult
__________QUOTE______________________ About Us History Trellis House was purchased in February 2007 after a year of dreaming and searching by Marc and Rebekah Beneteau. Rebekah had been living for 5 years, and Marc 3 years, in the Yonkers Morehouse, and we both had taken a lot of courses with the Lafayette Morehouse (previously More University). The experience of living in the comm
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
jerryjaxx
I just read this whole discussion, and I found it very interesting, despite it being one-sided, which, if you understand law of attraction, is logical. I have discovered Abraham-Hicks a few years ago, and have found them to be the most advanced teachers I´ve come across in my lifetime. I don´t care at all about the people presenting the material - they seem to be a nice couple, but there is no su
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
14 years ago
questioner
rrmoderator: I have asked this already and I'll ask you again and this time I'm hoping you'll answer: Have you read any of their books? Have you listened to any of their lectures? If not, you're making assumptions based on very little information.
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
14 years ago
questioner
I don't think my posts go back and forth at all. There are positive aspects and negative aspects and I'm presenting both sides of the story, the good and the bad. "Should the victims of supposedly spiritual confidence schemes take responsibility, if they were conned and deceived?" If someone chooses to quit their job or rack up their credit card bills, yes, they should t
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
14 years ago
rrmoderator
questioner: "I can't blame this 100% on Abraham-Hicks. Every person needs to take responsibility for his own life. But you will notice many people who 'follow' Abraham-Hicks and end up in financial ruin. (but on the other hand there are many very wealthy and successful people who are fans of Abraham, too." Your posts go back and forth. "take responsibility&q
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
14 years ago
questioner
It seems like you picked out the words "pro-cult" and neglected to read the rest of my post. It clearly was NOT in support of cults or of con artists. Have you read any of their books? I have read almost all of them and I have seen them live and I have heard what they teach. I'll repeat, I am not sticking up for them. I am not victim bashing. I am not saying they are good or ba
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
14 years ago
questioner
By pro-cult side I mean I wanted to make a statement towards the argument that Abraham-Hicks could be considered a cult. Not to say that cults are a good thing. Part of what I've said has been that they are not a cult. I wanted to add some evidence that does support the claim that they are a cult. I'm not victim bashing. My purpose of posting here is to discuss whether or not Abraham
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
14 years ago
rrmoderator
questioner: "pro-cult side"? What is your purpose for posting here? Seems like you are attempting to do a little bit of "victim bashing." People that base their business schemes on "channeling" claims are dubious to say the least. Frankly, the Hicks appear to be little more than "con artists" playing on people's vulnerabilities to make m
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
14 years ago
questioner
I also want to add a note to the pro-cult side of the discussion. Because there is a lot of room for interpretation and because there is a lot of contradiction in the teachings, a lot of people are somewhat led astray. They put their faith in the words "you can be, do or have anything you desire" and instead of working hard they do nothing and wish and hope their lives away. I can�
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
14 years ago
questioner
rrmoderator: I don't know the Hick's personally so I can't speak on their behalf but your statement "Seems like what you are describing is business designed to make money from "channeling" claims. " sounds fairly accurate. I don't know if their #1 reason for the business is to make money or if it is to help people in some way. I suspect it's a bit
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
14 years ago
rrmoderator
questioner: Seems like what you are describing is business designed to make money from "channeling" claims. And based upon your response the Hicks have no meaningful accountability to anyone.
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
14 years ago
questioner
rrmoderator: there isn't a board or anything like that because the business of Abraham-Hicks isn't really an organization. Esther Hicks is a motivational speaker who claims that the information she speaks and writes about it channeled. What seems more cult-like are the groups that have formed around the Teachings of Abraham. Like the forums. It is free to join but you are not allowe
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
14 years ago
rrmoderator
questioner: What specific accountability is there within the organization you are discussing? Is there a democratically elected board that can reprimand and potentially dismiss the leader? What financial transparency is there? Is there an independently audited financial statement or budget published and made public that discloses in detail all salaries, compensation and expenses of the g
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
14 years ago
questioner
According to the Cult Information Centre a cult is something that has all 5 of these issues in common: What is a Cult? Every cult can be defined as a group having all of the following five characteristics: 1. It uses psychological coercion to recruit, indoctrinate and retain its members 2. It forms an elitist totalitarian society. 3. Its founder leader is self-appointed, dogmatic,
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
14 years ago
questioner
Harleygal: I have major beefs with Abraham-Hicks but I can tell you that the way your husband is behaving is NOT in alignment with the Teachings of Abraham. It sounds like he's being a selfish, spoiled, terribly negative person. Abraham does teach people to be "selfish" but not in that way. To many, the idea that you are here to look after yourself first is a revaluation. (like
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
14 years ago
questioner
Some of the information is useful & motivational. The problem I have with Abraham-Hicks is that they say the information is coming from a being, from "source" or God. That makes people who follow them believe everything they say. But I notice that Esther doesn't always know the answer to a question. People say, "oh but she never stops talking, it flows so well, it must be
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
14 years ago
questioner
The Hickses spend most of the year traveling the country, leading workshops based on the teachings they say Abraham has given them. They record the workshops and have 10,000 subscribers, who pay up to $50 a month for CDs and DVDs of Abraham’s wisdom. Just up to $50 a month for CDs? I was a member of their CD club and ended up spending a few hundred every month, I had to cancel because it wa
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
15 years ago
free@last
Thanks for your posts. I've been reading this forum for the past few months and have learned an incredible amount from all of you. What I'd like to do is dissect some of the New Age beliefs to separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak. I think one reason it's hard for me to let go is that there is good mixed in with the bad. For example: "You create your own reali
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
15 years ago
June Piggott
Has anyone compared the work of Abraham with the Neale Donald Walsch book "Conversations with God: An Uncommon Dialogue"? What is your assessment?
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
15 years ago
The Anticult
In the CD program, Wayne Dyer comes out as a big supporter of Abraham Hicks, as well. Of course, Hay House has business deals with all these people, its all cross-marketing business. Then Wayne Dyer says you can prevent Alzheimer’s by not thinking about it, like his mother supposedly did. So Wayne Dyer is saying if you get Alzheimer’s, you created it. As far as Byron Katie in this CD, it
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
15 years ago
xythos
Oh dear... I think I've pretty much done the 'circuit' of all the 'cult-like' movements/organisations out there, starting with Herbalife at age 21 (when I first set foot in the US). It left me broke & I lamost ended up in the gutter if it wouldn't have been for a very good friend who took me in at the last minute because I was no longer able to pay my rent to the
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
15 years ago
Harleygal
QuoteenoughI keep getting this one and I have so much i want to say about this topic. It has turned my wife into someone who i do not recognize. All of her worst qualities are amplified and we are getting divorced after 10 years (we have 2 kids both adopted and I won't let her infect their minds with this self centered, vapid, hocus pocus!) I am going to the mat on this one. My outrage i
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
15 years ago
enough
Shaking Riches Out of the Cosmos E-Mail Print Single Page Reprints Save Share Linkedin Digg Facebook Mixx Yahoo! Buzz Permalink Published: February 25, 2007 (Page 2 of 2) Abraham, whose speaking voice is rounder, quicker and more computerlike than Ms. Hicks’s natural voice, replied by repeating the woman’s phrase roughly 20 times and then explained it
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
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