jj, I am going to be really blunt here...those are extremely fucking dangerous people. I am not making this stuff up. They want to hammer people's minds down to nothing, rip it apart, Dis-Assemble your Identity, and reform it focussed on Byron Katie for her own vanity and self-interest. Meanwhile acting all sweet and holy, and saying the exact opposite. Its sicko stuff, and plain as day t
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a friend just lent me a CD set... A THOUSAND NAMES FOR JOY, 6 hours of audio from someone named Byron Katie, and her renowned unknown hubbie Stephen Mitchell. Lets put it on right now.. ...New Age music...so spiritual...I am in a Trance already.... - Stephen Mitchell starts with a preframe, and the false origin Story. - pitch the 4 Questions...this is very Trancy already...confusing
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Hi vlinden... you question seems easy, but its not! You are asking...what is the Mind? :-) The first thing expert hypnotists do is prove there is no such thing as hypnosis. I actually agree. Its semantics. Sowhen somebody says THERE IS NO HYPNOSIS, that is the first step in the waking Trance. But, to be specific, here are some links. #1) don't spend 1 penny on this, its full of scam
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also, if you wanted (not) to learn some covert Erickons Hypnosis from the NLP trainer unconscious manipulator Stever Robbins. Here is a massive page of info by Stever. It'll only cost you about $50,000 for all the NLP super-LGAT's, once they get done with you. "Much of early NLP was based on the work of Virginia Satir, a family therapist; Fritz Perls, founder of Gestalt th
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OMG...was made aware that this guy Stever Robbins, made a post on the Byron Katie skin cancer scare-blog. Are Stever Robbins and Byron Katie in bed together? (so to speak) Stever Robbins is...dear lord save us all. Where to start... he is one of these uber-super-duper-super-super-mega-marketers, Life Coaches, super-salesmen, internet propagandists, NLPers..... Lock up your daughters
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continuing from above, as saw from the first moment I analyzed Byron Katie's material, she is not insane or crazy, as one normally uses those terms. Not even close. People who do LGAT's or who talk/write in confusing language like that, are doing specific techniques and hypnotic Inductions, all well studied, taught, and mapped out. Much of it began with Dr. Milton Erickson, and sinc
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(for clarity, the response to the analysis of Byron Katies hypnotic language patterns of unconscious persuasion has been moved here). (with Love of course...) as I think I said from the first moments I analyzed Byron Katie's material, she is not insane or crazy, as one normally uses those terms. Not even close. People who do LGAT's who talk/write in confusing language like tha
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If Katie asked one that stacked forced-choice mantra leading question..one could reply... Katie, why are you trying to manipulate me with a Forced-Choice, Leading Question stacked with Presuppositions, and a hypnotic double-bind? QuoteThe AnticultQuotejj52 However, she does repeat this phrase like a mantra to trance-induced people: "If The Work were the only way to God, would you tak
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Quotejj52 However, she does repeat this phrase like a mantra to trance-induced people: "If The Work were the only way to God, would you take it?" That is what they call Presupposition in NLP, and also hypnosis. It also has the illusion of CHOICE, its a Forced-Choice. Presuppositions: If its the ONLY way to God..that presupposes God exists, and that The Work exists and works.
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Wow...this really aggrivates you guys. And I can completely understand that. Some of these conferences seem crazy. But discovery isn't like that. There is not any hypnosis involved... And YES. I did up on it. Do you think I would comment about something that I didn't have knowledge about? Give me a little more credit than that. There was zip hypnosis during the weekend. Nothi
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Enviro_cop, thanks for this: QuoteMilton H. Erickson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_H._Erickson) used stories that used metaphors to plant ideas or thoughts into the unconscious mind. The stories would typically ramble and allow the subject to go into a trance where certain words were emphasized. I think NLP was developed on his model of hypnotherapy. There is way too much to describe he
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Sane Again, My sentiments exactly, I was just afraid I could state them that way! Milton H. Erickson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_H._Erickson) used stories that used metaphors to plant ideas or thoughts into the unconscious mind. The stories would typically ramble and allow the subject to go into a trance where certain words were emphasized. I think NLP was developed on his model of h
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efe132, I posted two articles I found on the net and pasted them below. Flirtation with the Cult/LGAT So I recently attended a recruitment meeting for an LGAT- a Large Group Awareness Training. These cult-like groups don't really have a compound and make you live there; they are mostly about getting your money by charging you absurdly huge amounts of money for seminars that use s
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ibn143, I posted this on another threat and thought it might answer some of your questions. I hope things work out for you but I agree with Robert, you could be in a losing battle when your boyfriend comes home. Stay strong and don't let him talk you into taking PSI. This crap destroyed my life and turned my children's life upside down when my wife returned from 7. Posted on
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Posted on MySpace How the Cult Works: Hypnotic Secrets So here's my expose on how and why the group worked: One of the really ingenious tactics they used was not to use any kind of promotion except for the very best of all: word of mouth. Everybody knows how strong word-of-mouth is, and anybody can tell you that's going to beat any paid advertisement. But these people we
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NLP is not exactly "a tool"... it is more akin to a toolbox filled with various instruments derived from a multitude of sources, many of those sources WERE established therapists who Richard and John "modelled", or att,mpted to extract the purest essence of what made Erickson, Satir, Farrelly, Bateson, and others tick... so NLP itself IS in many ways a set of derivitaves of hi
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According to the Tadster from his own website: Since the introduction of the Line Therapy® Techniques in 1988 in the book Time Line Therapy and the Basis of Personality, there has been, not only excitement about the techniques themselves, but also major interest by the psychotherapeutic community and a rather rapid adoption of the process by people actively involved in seeing clients daily f
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dear brad, wow. thank you for your questions...unfortunately, to large extent, they are the same questions i have myself...i grapple with them with my good therapist and we both wonder together what the answers are...he has at least one psych degree to guide him and he sincerely seems to have nearly as many questions as i do about how this stuff goes down...he is NOT a specialist in cults...a c
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In a nut... to be really qualified to work with someone's mind in a constructive way... this isn't a skill set you learn in three or four "intensive" five day seminars... NLP has, most lamentably, devolved into something of a "certificate mill" racket... with a miniscule amount of real formal testing, supervision, or in depth knowledge of the subjects they so love
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QuoteelenaI've had a hard time wrapping my mind around this, and after reading it a few times, it sounds almost as though you suggest a type of social Darwinism in which only those with enough of whateve it takes to get the "survival technology" will live with some autonomy and the rest are doomed to various forms of slavery. I guess one could make the argument we already have thi
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I was asked several times here why I am involved in this discussion. I believe whole-heartededly, in freedom of thought. QuoteAlcoholics Anonymous is an organization which is decidedly hostile towards atheists, agnostics, skeptics and freethinkers of all sorts. Some relevant quotes from the AA literature: QuoteIf you think you are an atheist, an agnostic, a skeptic,... I feel sorry fo
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BTW what is "BEING OUT OF INTEGRITY?" That is really taking liberties with the English language. I have been hearing a lot about "neuro linguistic programming." Is this what the Landmark programs use? Does anyone know any good research on this? Lookingfor help, Here is a brief desciption of NLP. It is a complicated subject and to understand it would require read
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I heard about their using the Karate Kid clip. it bothers me particularly because they skillfully use it to evoke anxiety in the viewer that LEC wants to exploit them and then using humor the defuse the fear. the clip has the protagonist doing a "spiritual exercise" for the guru who admits that he scammed the hero, but it doesn't matter because in the end the guru has the pro
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By the way, i spent many years lost in this maze of New Thought, and stepped out of it over 10 years ago, thanks to having the courgage to engage in some critical thinking and skepticism. The bottom line is this. There was this dude named Quimby, who basically did what we now call "hypnosis" on people, and got some results. (relaxation, concentration, suggestion, repetition) He ta
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Hi Cosmophilosopher, QuoteCosmophilospherHi Steve, thanks for the posts. Please post whatever you want here. If some important info of yours has been deleted, or will be, then feel free to post that info here. Also, please feel free to list some of the homophobic comments you have heard Robbins make. I would be interested in hearing them. This is from my Colorado friends who went to sev
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Hi Steve, thanks for the posts. Please post whatever you want here. If some important info of yours has been deleted, or will be, then feel free to post that info here. Also, please feel free to list some of the homophobic comments you have heard Robbins make. I would be interested in hearing them. As far as "Black Belt" and those other guys, long ago they were exposed as flat o
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This article gives a very good overview of methods used--use it as a checklist to see if you've been exposed to any of these. (Moderator warning: This information is best used to identify the warning signs of a manipulative relationship or indoctrination situation and then to stay far, far away. RR.com would strongly advise against anyone thinking they can intentionally expose themselves
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This article gives a very good overview of methods used--use it as a checklist to see if you've been exposed to any of these. (This information is best used to identify the warning signs of a manipulative relationship or indoctrination situation. We advise against anyone thinking they can intentionally expose themselves in high risk situations and escape unscathed. Even by paying money to
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QuoteMozartJust wondering actually...if Coz himself has been banned from the AR forum or chose to leave of his own accord???? I'm a member over there and was wondering about that. Thanks Many many people thought Coz should NOT be banned and censored on that forum. Coz was told by the alleged "moderator" that every post he would be making would have to be "approved&qu
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Quotegc4062Socrates, to pick up on something you mentioned in another thread... yes, for some reason, the MTV generation has become intellectually lazy. But I'm part of the original MTV generation. I remember the summer when MTV started and watching it religiously. I think it's far more than just MTV. Generation X is the first generation whose parents were introduced to est. If I
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