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Re: Jack Hickman
Posted by: Fallen 49r ()
Date: November 11, 2009 07:47AM

Another thing to consider with the sexual stuff. The more you can influence a person's personal life, the more you can influence who they are as an individual. This group makes/made a fairly successful attempt to control peoples' most personal experiences by dictating to them what is and what is not okay, in terms of diet, dating, marriage and masturbation.

If you're letting another person dictate your most basic and personal bodily functions... you're being abused.

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Re: Jack Hickman
Posted by: geraldtsmith ()
Date: November 11, 2009 08:50AM

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pequagirl
Thank you , geraldt, for the link to the Newsday article. I reread it today after 25 years and was more appalled than the first time. After the first time I knew I would never leave my husband and children and life to join. after rereading it, I am appalled that my parents stayed and stayed and stayed........ It scares me that otherwise intelligent functioning humans can be so manipulated.

You are most welcome.
My prayer is that it (the article) opens more eyes and actually helps someone else as it helped me. Although I left just before it was published, when I actually read it, I knew and was reassured that, in spite of all I had given up by leaving and all the confusion and pain leaving caused, I had in fact made the right move. It took a lot of time but, eventually things got better. I've since shared my story with many others (in many different walks of life) and I believe it has had a positive effect on each of them.

God Strikes Straight Blows with Crooked Sticks

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Re: Jack Hickman
Posted by: Sallie ()
Date: November 11, 2009 08:53AM

Pequa,
You were so completely unnerved by my posting stories of sexual abuse which occured in the past that, even though I never posted one unkind word to or about you ...... you derided me with this post where you said.................................................................................................................................................................I knew Dennis Walsh but I bet many of today's young members have no idea who he was. Maybe some of them have never seen the Newsday article. I was never privy to the really weird stuff so it was easy not to hate my family and friends. The more I find out the more I want to confront them but it is not easy. I guess I turned to this forum for strength and understanding. I am pretty good at beating myself but, go ahead sallie, let me have it! I accept the fact that you feel your truth is the only truth.
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In other words you referred to my postings of past sexual abuse as something that personally hurt and made you feel beat up.......my words wounded you.
You said you turned to this forum for strength but felt ''beat up'' by my words.
You went so far as to say that now ''others'' would be afraid to post.
I assaulted humanity.....with my stories of past sexual abuse....according to you.
Bear in mind this is after we sent private messages to each other and you privately posted me messages which could have made me trust you. Then on a public forum you showed a different and unexpected attitude toward my plea for help.
What if I were younger?
What if I had been vulnerable?
What if I had trusted you?
What if I had believed you?
What if I had considered you a friend?
How would I have felt?
Your decision to morph again is ill advised. This is a public forum and anyone can re-read your old posts.

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Re: Jack Hickman
Posted by: Sallie ()
Date: November 11, 2009 10:55AM

Fallen,
Yes letting a person dictate your bodily functions is abuse. It is a form of control as well. Under these circumstances some, not all, some...can easily be singled out for sexual exploitation.
Let's not pretend.
That is happening under the leadership of Gary Coons and we all know it.

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Re: Jack Hickman
Posted by: pequagirl ()
Date: November 11, 2009 11:05AM

sallie- I tried to send you a pm. I wanted to extend an olive branch because I think you have misunderstood so much of what I have written. Even I misunderstand what I write sometimes. I am sorry that you think I am untrustworthy and that I have morphed.

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Re: Jack Hickman
Posted by: Sallie ()
Date: November 11, 2009 11:20AM

Pequa,
How adorable. Olive branch accepted.

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Re: Jack Hickman
Posted by: pequagirl ()
Date: November 11, 2009 11:23AM

Just so we understand one another- are you being sarcastic or do you really think I am adorable? I am not. I am rather old and hardly anyone adores me!

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Re: Jack Hickman
Posted by: pequagirl ()
Date: November 11, 2009 11:31AM

When you have the time, pm me and explain how you feel I have morphed and how I have been untrustworthy. I would like the opportunity to defend myself and give you the opportunity to explain your feelings. Thanks.

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Re: Jack Hickman
Posted by: Sallie ()
Date: November 11, 2009 12:31PM

Pequa,
Not sarcastic at all. Old and adorable very often go together. When you posted ''Even I misunderstand what I write sometimes'', I thought it was just adorable.... I'm sincere. The olive branch is most sincerely accepted. Thankyou Pequa. Really.
I am sure that all of us, including myself, can be swayed by the crowd. I think that the conversation was going in a ''hush about sex abuse'' direction last week. At that time you seemed to be in sync with that mind set.
I was tweeked.
Now I'm over it. So just to be sure. I thought your response was adorable and thank you for the olive branch which I sincerely accept.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/11/2009 12:47PM by Sallie.

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Re: Jack Hickman
Posted by: My Good Name ()
Date: November 18, 2009 10:11AM

Does anyone believe JH's motives were more than just sexual and monetary? Does anyone think he believed what he taught? Why did his teachings become more and more insane as time went on?

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