That means "essential posting", you realize!! I will do that after this comment.Quote
(Excerpted and included in full in the appendix, is Ikeda's infamous psychopathological poem "The Victorious Future of Mentor and Disciple." This poem, which is suppressed by the gakkai cult org. now, is essential reading.)
Here's the funny part. Supposedly (see posts just before yours), chanting NMRK will result in progressively more enlightened awareness, whether one seeks it or not, regardless of one's frame of mind while chanting. It's supposed to be automatic and inescapable, at least according to many leaders. That's why it's the magic chant, you see *le wink*Quote
". . . . keywords of "effort" and "severity" . . . . reiterates the concept of blind allegiance . . . The call to "total action" in the name of the master is further reinforced by the slogan "I decide to suffer and force myself", with which SG's members were asked to "sweat blood" to propagate the movement in Italy."
Thanks, tsukimoto!!Quote
From the Kempon Hokke Blog, March 20, 2011, www.fraughtwithperil.com
---------------Beginning of Quote-----------------------------------------------------
The Victorious Future of Mentor and Disciple
I can see those who are like demons
Milling around what
Unbeknownst to them,
Is only an execution block
Traitors!
Having turned your backs
On the Daishonin’s golden words,
Are you ready
To be burned in the fires
Of the Hell of incessant suffering?
To be imprisoned in a cavern
In the Hell of extreme cold?
To be shut off in the darkness
Of misery and strife, forever deprived of the sun’s light? –Daisaku Ikeda
----------------------------End of Quote-----------------------------------------------------------------
Victorious future? It sounds like a horror movie, what Ikeda hopes will happen to "traitors" -- ie, anyone who doesn't agree with him.
I think the biggest problem facing our would-be emperor is masses of people who do not wish to follow, obey, and serve. The organized religions are having the same problem - congregations aging and dying, contributions drying up, splitting of larger entities into smaller factions barely viable, and people choosing independent thought over doing what they're told. The Millennial generation in particular (reaching age 18 in 2000 and beyond) is notoriously difficult to control. Ikeda's looking at the pinnacle of his success in his rear view mirror, and the fact that it's all downhill from here on out eats him alive. If he's even still alive.Quote
April 01, 2011 11:06PM
The Anticult
Date Added: 03/17/2006
Posts: 4552
SGI Daisaku Ikeda: judge, jury and executioner fascism
Daisaku Ikeda is a mentally sick man.
Yes, Daisaku Ikeda would have loved to bring back the executioners block, for those who choose not to buy into his SGI bullshit.
He would have lined them up by the hundreds to dispose of them.
Daisaku Ikeda is full of crap.
Those who choose to not follow his SGI personal religion, will have a great life.
Its called FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE, Mr Ikeda. Something you cannot even imagine, with such a fascistic mindset.
to the fascist mind, like Daisaku Ikeda, personal freedom for people is his greatest enemy, freedom is a demon to Ikeda.
Because then he would have had to have had a real job.
All Ikeda is trying to do is use psychological warfare on his followers, to Ikeda its like scaring children with scary stories to try and make them behave.
Hellfire and damnation.
Who is the real human demon in this?
Who is the money-vampire?
Daisaku Ikeda, what a revolting fraud that man is.
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April 03, 2011 05:23PM
wakatta1
Date Added: 08/20/2009
Posts: 135
Re: Soka Gakkai International -- SGI
Spotted on a "subway wall", likely from some urban prophet
The terrible failure of Master - Disciple
Oh you perpetrator!
you prevaricator! you deceiver
you whose only lust is for gold and privilege
you who abandoned the temple and the lineage
the one who filled volumes with double-talk about some guy called Shin'Ichi
and lured millions into ruin through your lies
As a "Master" You should know that life is but a vapor,
and each man will eventually reach his due.
it will be interesting to be a fly on the wall
and seeing what happens to you...
when the smoke clears..
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April 03, 2011 06:38PM
Shavoy
Date Added: 02/23/2011
Posts: 243
Re: Soka Gakkai International -- SGI
Tsukimoto, The Anti-Cult and Wakatta1: Your posts reinforce the thing in my head that I can't get my head quite around....help me out here. How does Daisaku Ikeda believe he can make huge inroads with the American/world masses for membership in the SGI when written words like what Tsukimoto posted above SCREAM CULT!!!???
I mean, there is no difference between Fire and Brimstone fundamentalist Christian thinking and Burning in the Hellfires of Incessant Suffering. What's the appeal in that?
How can he say it's better? The True Way?
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April 04, 2011 01:16AM
The Anticult
Date Added: 03/17/2006
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Re: Soka Gakkai -- SGI-USA the golden goose
Well, fire and brimstone, damnation and judge your enemy, have worked quite well in the US to this point!
But clearly, from many past posts here, Ikeda has always been totally out of touch with the US and much of the west. His early techniques were like crude Stalinist propaganda, with the giant photo's and the rest of it.
Then SGI-USA had marketing experts come up with a better message for the US, and the SGI message changed over the years, to become more moderate sounding, less demanding for initial members, (more demanding for more involved people) and everything else contained in this thread.
But one has to try and look at it from Ikeda's perspective, at least in years past. One can see him sitting in his fancy offices, probably with a map of the world on a huge table, plotting strategies for expanding SGI in various markets and countries worldwide. Getting field reports, recruiting numbers, revenues from each country.
Its just a big numbers game when you are at the top. Just business management.
And one can be sure the amount of money coming in from the USA increased when they changed their tactics, so they do what works.
Of course one can't read anyone else's mind, but one has to assume that Ikeda just saw America as the big fat golden goose.
Notice how, in Nichiren's letter "The Bodies and Minds of Ordinary Beings," the most intelligent disciples are maligned:Quote
SGI, likewise, knows its "target market." It's the people who will accept Mentor/Disciple. SGI could change its ways and attract more people -- but too many of them would be people who think and question. SGI doesn't want to attract people like that. As things are -- they're attracting who they want to attract.
For years, I thought of SGI as a religion -- the truth is, it's a business, selling you a dream in exchange for your time, money and loyalty.
Nichiren makes it clear - they want EXTREMELY STUPID members!! :D I remember MANY meetings stressing the superiority of the stupid messenger *eye roll*Quote
In general, there are three kinds of messengers. The first kind is extremely clever. The second is not particularly clever but is not stupid, either. The third is the kind who is extremely stupid but nevertheless reliable.
Of these three types, the first will commit no error [in transmitting his message]. The second, being somewhat clever but not quite as clever as the first type, will add his own words to his lord's message. Thus he is the worst possible type of messenger. The third type, being extremely stupid, will not presume to interpolate his own words, and, being honest, will relay his lord's message without deviating from it. Thus he is in effect a better messenger than the second type, and occasionally may be even better than the first.
The first type of messenger may be likened to the four ranks of saints in India. The second type corresponds to the teachers in China. And the third type may be likened to the stupid but honest persons among the common mortals of this latter age. [nichiren.info]
Not to help anyone in need, you'll notice. Evangelism FIRST and ONLY!!!Quote
Shin’ichi Yamamoto next turned to the Gosho “The Bodies and Minds of Ordinary
Beings.” He stopped at a passage near the end of the letter. He read it over and over,
sensing its profound meaning:
Though one may perform meritorious deeds, if they are directed toward that which is not
true, then they may bring great evil but they will never result in good. On the other hand,
though one may be ignorant in mind and his offerings meager, if he presents them to a
person who upholds the truth, his merit will be great. How much more so in the case of
persons who in all sincerity make offerings to the True Law! (mw-6, 281)
IN short, the Daishonin’s statement in “The Bodies and Minds of Ordinary Beings”
indicates that offerings can bring about either good or evil, depending on to whom or for
what cause they are made.
In light of this Gosho passage, Shin’ichi thought about the offerings made within the
Soka Gakkai. The offerings and financial contributions the organization solicited were
exclusively to accomplish the Daishonin’s mandate to widely propagate the Mystic Law.
As you can see, this is pure evil. Suggesting that his "benefit and good fortune" had come about as the result of his giving more than he could afford to the organization! To the point of going without a winter coat, even - while suffering from a serious lung illness! Insanity!Quote
Offerings made toward this end were equivalent to offerings made to the original
Buddha. There was, then, no greater offering, no greater good. Certainly, nothing could
bring greater benefit. This thought filled Shin’ichi with a sense of immeasurable good
fortune and joy at having had the chance to make such offerings as a Soka Gakkai
member.
The Daishonin concludes this writing by praising the spirit of this follower who had sent
offerings to him at Mount Minobu: “Surely you are sowing good seeds in a field of fortune.
My tears flow when I think of it” (mw-6,282).
Dedicating oneself to kosen-rufu means “sowing good seeds in a field of fortune”—
Shin’ichi had been strongly convinced of this since his youth. He recalled his days of
earnestly striving to protect and support Josei Toda, who took leadership to widely
propagate the Daishonin’s teachings. Back then, Toda’s business was experiencing severe
difficulties, and for a long time payment of Shin’ichi’s salary was in arrears.
Shin’ichi realized that to support this great lion of a man, who had arisen alone to
spread the Law, was the way to protect the Soka Gakkai and to accomplish the goal of
kosen-rufu.
He drastically cut his living expenses and made it his creed to use even a little of the
money remaining from his pay to support Gakkai activities, to contribute to spreading the
Daishonin’s Buddhism. To do so was his joy and secret pride. Because of this, he even
spent an entire winter without an overcoat. Whenever he received some of his back
salary, he would use a sizable portion of it to support Toda’s activities to promote kosenrufu. Shin’ichi was absolutely convinced that the benefit and good fortune he had
acquired as a result had enabled him to overcome his illness and today take on the
Gakkai’s leadership with confidence and composure.
He had not acted to support his mentor or the organization at someone else’s behest.
He had done so spontaneously, with a spirit of cheerfulness. It was an expression of his
sincere faith, a reflection of his profound resolve to dedicate his life to spreading the
Daishonin’s Buddhism throughout the world.
After long consideration, and taking into account the Daishonin’s admonitions along
with his own experience, Shin’ichi decided to make it possible for all members to
participate in making contributions for the Grand Reception Hall, their sincere offerings
“sowing good seeds in a field of fortune” in their lives. [www.sgi-usa.org]
I know this is going back a bit but this is aptly descriptive. After leaving and having a true realization (not the ones they talk about) that this is indeed what had happened to me.Quote
TaitenAndProud
Can you spell "bait and switch"? I knew you could :D
Pardon the probably odd question but this made me think of the scarves they give to people in the begining. Does anyone know of their significance and if the above was the purpose of giving them out?Quote
Hitch
"Attendance at meetings is recorded . . . and participants are registered to their status of "guest", "beginner" and "member". . . . . For this reason, each Soka Gakkai leader must have exact knowledge of who their members are in order to keep in mind "all the persons whom we don't see often, all those who only attend meetings now and then, all those who haven't participated in a long while, as well as all those who have distanced themselves from the practice and whom we may never have know." Also, a good (leader) must be aware of the fluctuations in attendance at meetings, of the progress of the zaimu ($$$) and of the number of member's subscriptions to SG's publications."
Really nice looking things with flowers and what looks like a Japanese kanji on them, each are different colors.Quote
TaitenAndProud
Scarves?? When/where was this? What were they like?