Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Date: June 17, 2019 08:28AM
From way back on this forum I think is worth repeating some of the occult practices we were taught in TLW cult. JRS sneaked into youth groups with our parent's knowledge. it in- then in the next chapter Marilyn moved on to other things that were oh so not biblical.
Since I left in '83 officially, I am curious as to if Marilyn carried on these occult practices or not? did any one ever keep on the a This is the Doctrine We Believe in our Church ( cult )?
larry bobo Wrote:Quote larry bobo August 11, 2013 11:29PM
> I think it is important to recognize that what we
> may have thought was a revelation from God in TLWF
> may have actually been mental programming though
The mechanics of "opening our
> spirits" and "singing in the spirit" placed us in
> a highly suggestive "Alpha state", similar to
> hypnosis, where what we heard bypassed our
> conscious minds and the normal critical thinking
> process and went unchecked into our subconscious
Many have suggested over the years that
> the trance-like state that we equated with
> spirituality had its roots in New Age teaching,
> not Christianity. Once the bubble pops, it seems
> silly that obedience to another human will produce
> resurrection life - especially since they do not
> have it themselves to give - at least until they
> break though into the next new level. "Serve me
> now and I'll give you a million dollars right
> after I win the Lottery. God has revealed to me
> that I'm His favorite and He wants everyone else
> to obey me in all my confusion as an expression of
> their love for Him. It doesn't even matter if I
> am right - God will honor your submission."
> I would suspect most of us had times where the
> "current word" went cross-grained to what our
> hearts and the scriptures were telling us, and
> over time, the red flags we suppressed turned out
> to be true warnings. I have been asked many
> times by other Christians, "Didn,t you have a
> Bible? Haven't you read, 'Watch out that no one
> deceives you. For many will come in my name,
> claiming, I am the Christ, and will deceive many.
> At that time if anyone (except JRS and G&M -
> because a revelation of them is greater than
> Jesus' words :)) says to you "Look, here is the
> Christ!" or "There he is!" do not believe it. For
> false Christs and false prophets will appear and
> perform great signs and miracles to deceive even
> the elect, if that were possible. See I have told
> you ahead of time.' However, none of these other
> Christians had actually ever met someone who
> claimed to be Christ in the flesh and wanted
> lordship over another person's life - much less
> allowed their name to take the place of God in
> worship songs.
Posted by: paleface ()
Date: August 14, 2013 05:16AM
"The shepherding movement in the Living Word started up after John had died. It was a follow-on to some of the ideas presented in the set of messages he gave just before he died called "The Unfolding".
"The idea was that we should be able to submit to each other in "designated relationships", similar to Timothy submitting to and serving Paul. (or Elisha and Elijah). It was to be a "chain of relationships" where all would be connected and in submission. In theory, maybe it would have worked, but it was unchecked.
"People lorded over others. People got hurt. Really bad in some instances where unreasonable service was demanded by the lead sheep from the submissive sheep. I think JRS never would have approved of how this ended up. It morphed into something out of control. I believe it is still this way today in the fellowship.
"The pitfall of these designated relationships is that people without shepherds hearts and the needed maturity and wisdom, are put in charge of other people's lives. The submissive sheep is supposed to open up and tell the lead sheep everything and submit their entire lives to them. (Remember, this is layman to layman.)
"There is no trained clergy involved in most of this. And then the sheep that is the lead, is supposed to be a submissive sheep to another person - eventually leading up to an elder or pastor. The lead sheep was supposed to be "Christ in the Flesh" to the submissive sheep. The submissive sheep was to regard the lead sheep's directives as if they came from God. I was there. I heard all of this with my own ears. I also saw the terrible damage it did when it went wrong. End quote from paleface
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/17/2019 08:38AM by NancyB.