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You are working off the premise that Christianity and the Bible accurately represent what Jesus taught. Not all will agree, myself included.

Those who wish to find justifications in the Bible for what they choose to believe will find it. Scripture-twisting has been a dance many have done for centuries.

Those who have done any serious Biblical scholarship inquiries will have discovered both Christianity and the Bible have spurious foundations. It is only their incessant advertisement and packaging that has given them any gravitas. When it comes to content, the quality is questionable.

Jesus taught both in the Prodigal Parable and in the statement "I go to prepare a place for you (not here)," that our RETURN to HEAVEN is the goal, not dragging HEAVEN down here to fix this mess.

KBoy actually in this case, i am trying to find something in the bible that backs up the manifest sons of God doctrine, since the bible is the book that JRS and all of the Latter Rain adherents claim that the bible is their source.
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First of all, there is something else that I didn't mention, Joel's army, the book of Joel, and the New Apostlolic Reformation guys point to that book more than they do Roman's 8. Basically, they are one and the same.

But again, I talked with Mr. Ross about bringing up the theology of the Walk, and he said it was OK to discuss, and discuss it how it relates to the bible, since the bible is the source that the theology of the Walk is supposed to come from, as you recall JRS often said that the bible is the plumbline.

By the way, the current wave of apostles and prophets claim that God restored porphets in the 1980s and apostles in the 1990s, I guess they figure it all started with them, that seems to be the norm, everybody thinks they invented whatever they happen into.

Apostle Dog Wrote:
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> KBoy actually in this case, i am trying to find
> something in the bible that backs up the manifest
> sons of God doctrine, since the bible is the book
> that JRS and all of the Latter Rain adherents
> claim that the bible is their source.
> '

This addresses this and the scriptures used. Kingdom Theology


[www.apologeticsindex.org]

Cloudwatcher Wrote:
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>
> "...And so we bless Marilyn tonight, SHE'S
> ALIVE? we honor her MARILYN?. Nani
> Alehe,WTF WHO IS THAT? the beautiful Queen,
> QUEEN ESTER? OR MARILYN? OR NANI ALEHE?
> who goes before the King MEANING THE LORD GOD?
> IT IS HARD TO TELL WHO YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
> and contends WE DEMAND IT for the
> salvation, WE ALREADY HAVE SALVATION, I MEAN I
> THOUGHT WE DID and deliverance of the Body
> I'LL SAY, I'LL TAKE SOME OF THAT until
> every threat, PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE OR SAY BAD
> THINGS ABOUT YOU every threat is removed.
> ACTUALLY THEY LEFT And this is the night
> for it HMMM WHERE HAVE I HEARD THAT
> BEFORE?. We have to have great faith, grand
> faith, immense faith, GREAT- GRAND--IMMENSE
> WEBSTER'S ANYONE? faith that can literally
> engulf GOOD WORD. WHAT NO SYNONYMS?
> everything we are talking about WHAT ARE WE
> TALKING ABOUT? and take it before the Lord
> WHO EXACTLY?. And so tonight and every
> night we are like the Jewish people fasting I
> DON'T THINK SO with you MARILYN? to be
> with you MARILYN? AGAIN? in this cry
> which is beyond understanding,IT SURE IS
> beyond words."BUT YOU USED THREE SYNONYMS IN A
> ROW. YOU CAN DO BETTER

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Another gifted wisecracker. Woo-hoo!

changedagain Wrote:
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> Hope everyone in this forum, on this Good Friday,
> is engulfed in a great faith, a grand faith or
> even an immense faith--but definitely
> not an awesome faith, because
> historically that type of faith has only led to
> trouble.

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changed of all your 593 posts this one was by far the best evarrr.

Apostle Dog Wrote:
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> For the most part, good exegesis is dependent on
> much more than one or two verses in one book of
> the bible. I am trying to find anything on the
> manifestation of the sons of God, and barring
> that, trying to find out how they milked that
> couple of verses in Romans 8 and got this bucket
> full of info, so that they can have at least two
> distinct versions with a much info on both.
>
> I am wondering if any of you have ever found
> anything in the bible other than a few verses in
> Romans 8th chapter about a manifestation of sons
> of God, becoming immortal and taking over all the
> world's systems and then either turning them over
> to Christ at His return, OR, as some versions from
> the Walk believe,,just taking everything over and
> ruling the world forever, INSTEAD of Christ
> returning. That version is with a few of the
> older guys because I know someone that believes
> that Christ returning in the flesh is Christ
> coming forth in the old Walk guys. But anyway,
> here is a cut and past of one latter rain prophet,
> his name is Bill Hammon:
>
>
> The Manifest Sons of God of the Latter Rain
> Movement
>
> Here is the underlying goal within the Latter Rain
> message of Bill Hamon.
>
> “The whole creation is waiting for the last
> generation Church. The earth and all of creation
> are waiting for the manifestation of God’s
> last-day apostles and prophets and fully restored
> Church. “For the earnest expectation of the
> creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the
> sons of God” (Romans 8:19 NKJV). When the Church
> is fully restored, then the saints will receive
> their final redemption, the immortalization of
> their mortal bodies. When this happens, then the
> natural creation of plants and animals will be
> delivered from their bondage of corruption into
> the glorious liberty of the children of God.”
> (Apostles, Prophets and the Coming Moves of God:
> God's End-Time Plans for His Church and Planet
> Earth. Destiny Image Publishers (July 1, 1997). p.
> 235.
>
> “The Earth and all of creation is waiting for
> the manifestation of the sons of God, the time
> when they will come into their maturity and
> immortalization... When the Church receives its
> full inheritance and redemption then creation will
> be redeemed from its cursed condition of decay,
> change and death... the Church has a
> responsibility and ministry to the rest of
> creation. Earth and its natural creation is
> anxiously waiting for the Church to reach full
> maturity and come to full sonship. When the Church
> realizes its full sonship, its bodily redemption
> will cause a redemptive chain reaction throughout
> all of creation.” (Bill Hamon p. 385 The Eternal
> Church)

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AD you may get a kick out of the following link:
[www.fellowshipofthemartyrs.com]

k Boy,

A friend of mine, a lurker (I once mentioned him in a post when I first joined this forum as JRS had arranged his big fat Walk wedding) asked me to post the following link to a Response to John Pavlovitz:

[fearlessconversations.net]

Want more? Goggle The Heresy of False Teacher John Pavlotiz-Pastor Gabe Hughes.

I love you k Boy but if forced to choose between your man John Pavlotiz and the Hare Krishna's, I'd go with the Hare Krishna's.



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LILY, LILY, LILY:

Its because of the Hare Krishna's that I came to LOVE curry. They are a relatively harmless bunch, but I'm confused why you would pit them against Pavlovitz. Perhaps he stirs the pot a bit too much.

I can certainly see the 'troublemaker' he would appear to be for many Christians. I am at least pleased to see there is a voice among the ranks willing to rattle their cages.

Nothing on this level is sacrosanct, and there are no 'holy books' found in HEAVEN.

:)

Lily Rose, good to see you again.

Yea I like that link, I have watched that guy a lot, Fellowship of the Martyrs,.

I read those qualifications he put down for the manifested sons of God, I don't think any of the Living Word crew, past or present, (*including the ole Apostle to the Dogs) would rate. I think the Living Worders would qualify as the INFESTATION of the Sons of God instead.

Perhaps the biggest problem with the Living Word crew, NOT becoming the "Christ in the earth," or the "manifest sons of God," and I speak for my generation, and I think it applies to other generations, I think the biggest problem is we considered ourselves "SONS OF JOHN," and then later, they considered themselves "SONS OF MARILYN," and then for a while it was in vogue to call themselves the "SONS OF GARILYN." All of that, is in fact deifying human beings. In short, that is idolatry. Idolatry is never winked at by God. Not at all. There is always harsh punishment for that.