Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: January 26, 2020 04:18AM

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: kBOY ()
Date: January 26, 2020 05:34PM

C H A N G E D

Anointed Purple Cow Tag Earrings

I was in a discussion today that reflected what those earrings represented; another ratcheting-up of the despotic regime that ruled our lives.

JRS never wielded the domineering control over the fellowship that G&M imposed in successive stages over the decades of their rule. The Cow Tag Earrings--the Old Testament analogy of an 'awl through the ear of the servant' (Deut 15:17)--were a symbolic upgrade (a downgrade to everyone else) in their efforts to solidify unquestioning obedience, thus allowing for the proliferation of more widespread abuses that followed, including psychological, sexual, and financial, etc.

I believe the arrival of these earrings was close to the time of the 'militarization' of YASP in the early 90's, and the ridiculous implementation of 'designated relationships' (God in the flesh?) that reeked so much havoc across the fellowship.

As it turns out, 'GOD is the sky' was still a better option.

Oh ya, and call 'no man Father'.



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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: January 27, 2020 12:22AM

Yes, kBoy. Making the transition from being someone's property to thinking freely is not an easy feat. One hurdle is just recognizing that your self-worth has nothing to with what you can provide a pampered narcissist. Also, not buckling and returning to bondage once you face the inevitable backlash that comes with making your own decisions, and reclaiming your life. Making mistakes that come from a place of freedom is desirable to playing it safe, and living miserably in a fear-based environment. More power to everyone who is in this process.



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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: Mined ()
Date: January 27, 2020 01:18AM

Hello All!

I've been reading here for many many years - in fact, FactNet was part of my slow awakening that allowed me to escape TLWF around 10 years ago. :)

Just want to finally throw my hat into the ring here and be a voice as well as reader. I also want to thank so many of you who have been posting for so long. I know the pressure was on you, and has been on you at times from the self-proclaimed "leaders" and "protectors" of the organization, and I want you to know that your voices made a difference, and helped me find my way.

On current topics: I wonder if that mysterious APCO Travel Fund is being used these days to rally the "remnant"? I'm curious how many people are flying into LA to "reconnect" and have their loyalty stoked once again? This is merely speculation on my part.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: January 27, 2020 01:45AM

Welcome Mined!
Excellent post, ending with a pertinent question. No idea, but there definitely is an attempt to rally people...perhaps as a defense against all the so-called "lies" that have spread on social media.
p.s. I am experiencing yet another Sunday without being browbeaten by a "living word." I will never tire of this clarity :)

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: January 27, 2020 03:06AM

BTW, approximately a year ago I predicted that there would be dwindling interest in what is written here...just because the discussion has gone on for so long (15 years), and seemingly every topic has been dealt with extensively. However, this past year people who had not previously posted came forward with their stories...and the core group of posters have continued contributing. Interest has actually escalated--significantly.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: January 27, 2020 04:57AM

approximately a year ago I predicted that there would be dwindling interest in what is written here

Hey, I never claimed to be a prophet. O.K.--maybe once or twice...perhaps even three times--but that's it!

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: NancyB ()
Date: January 27, 2020 06:01AM

changedagain reposted On January 22, 2020 01:07AM Re:The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
a valuable post from Invisible ()
Date: October 16, 2013 12:34PM
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> A post by 'Invisible' from October of 2013:
>
> Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John
> Robert Stevens
> Posted by: Invisible ()
> Date: October 16, 2013 12:34PM

>
> Around 1971 we began receiving phone calls at our
> home at any hour of the night - to pray for John
> Stevens, because he was under demonic spiritual
> attack by his wife Martha. We were told at that
> time, not to say anything to anyone about this,
> because only certain ones were being contacted to
> pray for John, The idea was conveyed to us that
> the church was not mature enough to handle the
> knowledge of the kind of assault that was taking
> place against John by his wife, n his own house.

>
> I don't remember us being woken up more than about
> three or four times between 1 and 3 O'clock in the
> morning, over a period of a few months' time. We
> were told that Martha was verbally attacking John.
> It was presented to us as if Martha was being
> aggressively evil
toward John and John was
> suffering. However, we were never told what Martha
> was upset about it. Nor did we think to ask, we were
> just concerned about the well being of John.
>
> I do not know how many people were being contacted
> like this and for this purpose but it was conveyed
> to us, that there were others also being called -
> to pray and be a support for John against Martha.
> Every time John and Martha were having a major
> argument between them during that period of time,
> we were called - with a one-sided story about what
> Martha was doing against John.
>
> Evidently John and Martha had problems in their
> relationship with one another but the real problem
> they had, I believe was, that other people were in
> their personal business and those people were at
> work, taking sides together and creating a support
> for John Steven's against his wife and they were
> taking steps to influence many other people
> against Martha
, which worked to undermine the
> marriage and relationship John and Martha had as
> husband and wife.
>
> Whether John invited them into his & Martha's
> personal life or whether they invited themselves
> into his & Martha's personal life, I don't know
> but one thing is for sure, he went along with the
> sympathy and the support he was receiving for
> himself against his wife, from those who were
> closest to him, who were outside of his own
> family.
>
> This kind of activity I believe led to it later
> being said (in secret) that Martha was a Nephilim.
> Martha was the first person in the church to be
> condemned, as if she were a powerful demonic
> spirit and spiritual force set to destroy her
> husband in the privacy of their own home, as a man
> of God.
>
> After these first phone calls' we received in
> 1971, and about 9 years later, in 1980, Martha
> divorced John.
>
> And I heard many, many, years later that one of
> Steven's family members had said, that Martha
> was still confessing her love for John, long after
> John had died, even until Martha died.

Kboy replied, "Martha was probably tired of JRS and Marilyn 'making eyes' at one another, and all the time they were spending together ". I think most of us would agree.

Let's us not forget that JRS was a narcissist by definition. In addition to both of those things, JRS was an alcoholic.

Alcoholism is a disease that tears apart from family relationships. I spent a lot of time in ALANON learning about things that I was not prepared to live with when living with a person who had the disease, let alone intercede for the "apostle to usher in the kingdom" - Marth was not prepared for all that burden either.

Here are some points to consider why Martha, no doubt, nagged him. She probably went ballroom dancing instead of ALNON. I know that I did not know how to handle an alcoholic husband, either. Neither did the right-hand men of the apostle. ( Where was the discernment and revelation that JRS needed intervention?)

I think this article link below would have been helpful to us decades ago. It was all so twisted.

A number of us do know that JRS was an alcoholic for a fact.
In the early '80s, Brenda and John put together marriage classes. I had seen JRS drunk numerous times before Brenda stated, "we are all children of an alcoholic." ( meaning JRS) That meant we had healing to do.

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ALANON Dilemma of the Alcoholic Marriage
'If he is drinking, her constant protective watchful? ness makes it easy for him to sidestep getting help. He has no incentive to get sober. She convinces herself that she’s doing her very best for him; she hasn’t learned, as she would in Al?Anon, that shielding him from the consequences of his drinking only prolongs its course.'.

When he’s drunk, her reaction is to reproach him for his behavior, and that’s the very worst time to attempt to communicate with him. In fact, it can’t be done without triggering a family war.

Until she learns what is wrong with her attitude and how to change herself so he will be forced to face his responsibilities, the situation isn’t likely to improve...'

None of us, including Martha, knew how to communicate with JRS (or anyone who puts booze before those who love and trust him) about the consequences of his behaviors.

We were all co-dependent*. But, that does not mean we were to blame. We are however responsible for our reactions. I'm only encouraging us to get educated on alcoholism to help us re-think the typical responses we had when those "phone calls came" or the claim that Martha was a Neph and how communicating with an alcoholic plays out.

*I hate the word co-dependent. When "my alcoholic" finally went to AA once only because the state forced him to go. He came home from that meeting to smugly inform me, " I learned that I have a disease. You are co-dependent and that makes you sicker than I am." ( That is so twisted - not talking self-responsibility. JRS did not take responsibility either, do you think?)

I shared this in hopes that no one feels any self-condemnation over being co-dependent or alcoholic, but to get some appropriate therapy from the aftermath of what we survived.



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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: NancyB ()
Date: January 27, 2020 06:43AM

Welcome Mined

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: kBOY ()
Date: January 27, 2020 08:24AM

N A N C Y b

As sad as all this is, it is completely understandable that the personal backside life of JRS had already demonstrated an ability to hide and justify not only substance abuse, but womanizing and financial misconduct as well.

The compartmentalization allowed most of this to be hidden from the 'unwashed masses' who supplied the upward flow, while JRS continued the charade by tickling our ears with flowerly words of being God's gift to the world, until we slowly realized we were not.

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