Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: January 28, 2020 06:34AM

kBOY wrote:
The compartmentalization allowed most of this to be hidden from the 'unwashed masses' who supplied the upward flow, while JRS continued the charade by tickling our ears with flowerly words of being God's gift to the world, until we slowly realized we were not.

Yes

Excerpt of a post by 4generation approx three months ago:

Posted by: 4generation
Date: October 21, 2019


Hello everyone,

I will make a brief personal presentation, as I prefer to remain anonymous for now. But I can say that I am a young man who was born within TLWF here in Brazil.

I have been following this forum for many years and I can say that many things that have been said here are true and that all the pastors mentioned here and involved in the accusations also follow this forum.

Because of this, I thought it appropriate to write here to speak directly to TLWF's senior leadership. There would be a lot to talk about, but I will try to write more later.

The damage this leadership has done to young people is immeasurable, but the worst of all is that the fellowship leaders (haworths, esteves, hargraves, hoolbroks) never retract or acknowledge their personal mistakes.

We can keep talking for years about John's mistakes and how there were idolatry or wrong doctrines since the inception, but none of this is ever comparable to the system of control and abuse of people that was created, developed and manipulated by Gary & Marylin and his APCO throughout the fellowship.

What needs to be understood, at least for the older generation, is that what was called "counseling" was never a spiritual counseling or covering, but an oppressive, authoritarian system that removed the right to free will from a whole generation who have been taught from the womb to live to "create life for spiritual parents."

This is the most cruel, satanic, and perverse teaching there could be in any kind of "cult". And after all that, those who called themselves Christ in the flesh did not repent, did not let go of power, divide the congregation, and did not confess the truth. They just hide and are waiting for the right moment to return and have their ministries restored.

One thing I will address to you Gary, Silas and others. There is no restoration without confession. There is no restoration without repair. There is no restoration without the truth being exposed. So far we have not seen any of this, and the window of opportunity for this is closed.




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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: kBOY ()
Date: January 28, 2020 06:57AM

C H A N G E D

W O W. What makes this all the more discouraging is that this post occurred almost one year from the date of Shalom's disclosures on Facebook (10/25/18).

The idea of ANY of these characters ever having their 'ministry' restored is like allowing a pedophile to work in the nursery. Their track-records as shepherds speak volumes against having any credibility in these areas.

If any re-entry were to ever occur they should immediately be placed at the end of the line and at the bottom of any totem pole, IF they could pass the background check.

That might be a problem . . .



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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: PowerTrip ()
Date: January 29, 2020 04:49AM

Hi guys,
 
Time has passed since my last post when I had the courage to say that what I have suffered when I was young during my time at TLWF was abuse. I feel like I aged 5 years and I am honestly not want to talk about me but I know some people might have questions. Yes, I was abused. I survived. I moved on. My motto was “they cannot win” I am going to survive and be someone that I would be proud in the long run. Nothing was easy and my body and mental health were taken to the limits many, many times but I survived. I am okay.
 
We were blindly following an alcoholic apostle (JRS) and all the toxic structure he left behind. I wish we could all see that 20-30 years ago! Honestly, I think that even today JRS would have to be impressed for his legacy and all the lives G&M and APCO were able to screw. Honestly, I was reading the posts about the cow tag earings. It was a COW but after decades of conditioning and listening to what was right and wrong, we never stood a chance guys. We were never meant to get out!
 
I was thinking about 4generation post from one year ago. Thank you so much for sharing it Changedagain!
 
{The damage this leadership has done to young people is immeasurable, but the worst of all is that the fellowship leaders (haworths, esteves, hargraves, hoolbroks) never retract or acknowledge their personal mistakes.}
 
And I am asking, to the 3rd and 4th generations. What can we do to help? What else we can do? Should we write our own version of a letter to our young self and say all the dangers of being in a cult? About TLW specific?
 
I was doing some research in order to write this post and I found out that cults rarely withstand a second generation and TLWF is on its 4th, 5th? Is that right?
 
{This is the most cruel, satanic, and perverse teaching there could be in any kind of "cult". And after all that, those who called themselves Christ in the flesh did not repent, did not let go of power, divide the congregation, and did not confess the truth. They just hide and are waiting for the right moment to return and have their ministries restored.}
 
The internet has its own way to keep everything private and not name names and I am literally just thinking about how can I help or how can we all help to prevent this same thing from happening again and again and again.
 
4generation is right. They are just waiting for the dust to settle. Unfortunately, we also supported years of financial aid and they can wait for the best moment.
 
We must find ways to stop TLW existence. I know this is redundant but remember I am only one month old to this site so give me some newbie credit!

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: January 29, 2020 06:44AM

I know this is redundant but remember I am only one month old to this site so give me some newbie credit!

I give you credit, Powertrip. Your posts hit the mark (IMO). Welcome aboard!

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: kBOY ()
Date: January 29, 2020 08:24AM

P O W E R t r i p

WELCOME. It sounds like your resume goes all the way back to the JRS-era, so, like many of us, you have observed quite a lot of water pass under the bridge.

The distinction between that era and the G&M reign were different but no less damaging. What made them both similar was the degree of deception perpetrated on the masses, and the stranglehold they were able to maintain upon those who worked closely with them in order to monitor any narrative used to cover abuses.

In spite of the death-blow wielded by Shalom, we may have to accept that there may be sparks of life still evident in a few locations for some time to come. We can take some comfort in the fact that since all the youth have fled, and along with that their tithes and energy, it is only a matter to time before old age and death slowly creep in to finish the job.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: Reepicheep ()
Date: January 29, 2020 11:26AM

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Posted by: PowerTrip
Date: January 28, 2020 01:49PM

Should we write our own version of a letter to our young self and say all the dangers of being in a cult? About TLW specific?

I would like to tell my young self to trust myself, not someone claiming to be an apostle to the Kingdom who heard directly from God. He and G&M used us all mercilessly. I doubt that it ever crossed their minds to repent for what they were doing to all the people they used.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: January 29, 2020 11:52PM

A post by 'lone.wolf' from December of 2018:

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: lone.wolf
Date: December 20, 2018 06:45AM


Update today from TLWF website regarding the independent investigation that will take place:

[www.thelivingword.org]


I wonder if they have made any headway with this independent investigation. Perhaps the independent investigators gave up because they couldn't find any evidence of wrongdoing...at least among the leadership.
/s

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: kBOY ()
Date: January 30, 2020 12:01AM

C H A N G E D

Since both JRS and G&M never operated in good faith when they were NOT in trouble, I don't suspect we should hold our breath when they are.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: NancyB ()
Date: January 30, 2020 01:33AM

Reepicheep Wrote:
Date: January 06, 2018 11:34AM
the reply was to what acesandates quote below.

Reepicheep gave an excellent reply. I think this quote and reply is worth repeating for all the newcomers to the forum whether or not they have jumped into the active discussions. I have one of many possible examples to disputes Acesandates "feelings"


-------------------------------------------------------
> acesandates Wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------------
> > Lastly, in my experience and belief, I do not
> > believe JRS was a false prophet or false
> ministry,
> > money and property issues be damned. Because
> what
> > i experienced, beginning in the early 70s in
> San
> > Diego, Anaheim, Southgate, Sepulveda was the
> > return of the apostolic anointing.
Reepicheep responded:
>
> Acesandates, you seem to continue to use your
> feelings as proof of apostolic anointing. Here is
> the test for true and false prophets according to
> Jesus: Matthew 7:15-20. NIV
> “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you
> in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are
> ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will
> recognize them. Do people pick grapes from
> thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise,
> every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree
> bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad
> fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
> Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut
> down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their
> fruit you will recognize them.

>
> > Those churches were solidly packed, and the
> presence
> > of the Spirit was rich,
especially during the
> Feasts.
> > For me, it was a goddamn joy and I'm thankful
> that its
> > spirit went deep into me.
>
> Not sure how the churches being "solidly packed"
> is proof of truth or anointing.
There are many
> megachurches that are packed during multiple
> services every Sunday. Does that mean that they
> are teaching a true word? I doubt it. Of course,
> you can believe whatever you like about JRS, but
> that doesn't make it true. Many people who post on
> this topic here have seen their families torn
> apart and destroyed. A daughter posted about
> reading her mother's diary after she had passed
> away, and of the terrible things that she had gone
> through. People lost their life savings because
> JRS harangued members to invest in the Nevada
> mine, or the camp in Brazil, or Shiloh, or the
> school etc. This is the fruit of TLWF and JRS.


The comments of feeling that "packed services" were proof of an anointing have concerned me about discernment as has the discernment of the people who 'solidly packed' Megga Frauds such as Benny Hin who is only one example of solidly packed believers to be preyed upon. How many other TLW's "feel" the same without any real proof- simply a "feeling"?

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Benny HIn Proof of Fraud
Benny Hinn: PROOF OF FRAUD & SCAM & DIVORCE
joelx.com/pastor-benny-hinn-fraud-scam-divorce/4863
Televangelist Pastor Benny Hinn is a fraud, scam, divorcee, and cheat. Benny Hinn preys on weak-minded people to convince them he can use “faith-healing” to cure their illnesses so that they donate over $100,000,000 per year to support his extraordinarily lavish lifestyle.
[joelx.com]

JRS, then Marilyn and Gary did not use the Latter Rain teachings with "faith healing" to build their empire. ( Yes, Hinn and JRS were involved with Latter Rain- all too many frauds came out of that movement.) They were teaching other significant Latter Rain believes tho'. ( Occult basically means that the teaching is not accepted by the main stream Christianity.)

I will guess that many in TLW did not have time to Benny Hin nor the other 'in the name of Jesus illusionists' fraud who had solidly packed services televised. ( They did not miss anything.) I only watched all these TV frauds because my late father loved to watch them all- and I spent time with my dad. These charlatans were better at their "magic shows productions' than JRS was. JRS used the same techniques and anyone who gets glued to the TV or who attended a 'solidly packed service" felt something as well.

I find it interesting that many 'religious illusionists" have in common infidelity and live lavish lifestyles. They take from the poor and needy but do not really give anything except highly emotional entertainment. I believe that that is what JRS did. The invisible mantle that M & G claimed was based on the show that JRS put on- much like Benny Hin

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Benny Hin in a Nutshell
Benny Hinn in Nutshell | Benny Hinn Bible in one hand ...
godinanutshell.com/.../voices-of-honor/benny-hinn.html
Benny Hinn in Nutshell | Benny Hinn ties to the occult is exposed, fake miracles, fake healing, greed, and financial money deception. In this video, Trey Smith exposes Benny Hinn Free Mason roots and occult practices.[godinanutshell.com]

There are numerous researchers ( I have researched I Latter Rain as well) who have analyzed the teachings of JRS as "occult ties" and there are questionable financial money deceptionwithin TCLW that has needs legal investigation. (Don't forget that Gary Harves ran with the alleged mantle of JRS and how many people took that word as fact?)

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: NancyB ()
Date: January 30, 2020 01:38AM

WOW! Thanks ChangedAgain for re-posting the Excerpt of a post by 4generation approx three months ago:

Posted by: 4generation
Date: October 21, 2019

WOW! I missed reading your post 4generation. Thank you for sharing.

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