changedagain reposted On January 22, 2020 01:07AM Re:The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
a valuable post from Invisible ()
Date: October 16, 2013 12:34PM
> A post by 'Invisible' from October of 2013:
> Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John
> Robert Stevens
> Posted by: Invisible ()
> Date: October 16, 2013 12:34PM
> Around 1971 we began receiving phone calls at our
> home at any hour of the night - to pray for John
> Stevens, because he was under demonic spiritual
> attack by his wife Martha. We were told at that
> time, not to say anything to anyone about this,
> because only certain ones were being contacted to
> pray for John, The idea was conveyed to us that
> the church was not mature enough to handle the
> knowledge of the kind of assault that was taking
> place against John by his wife, n his own house.
> I don't remember us being woken up more than about
> three or four times between 1 and 3 O'clock in the
> morning, over a period of a few months' time. We
> were told that Martha was verbally attacking John.
> It was presented to us as if Martha was being
> aggressively evil
toward John and John was
> suffering. However, we were never told what Martha
> was upset about it. Nor did we think to ask, we were
> just concerned about the well being of John.
> I do not know how many people were being contacted
> like this and for this purpose but it was conveyed
> to us, that there were others also being called -
> to pray and be a support for John against Martha.
> Every time John and Martha were having a major
> argument between them during that period of time,
> we were called - with a one-sided story about what
> Martha was doing against John.
> Evidently John and Martha had problems in their
> relationship with one another but the real problem
> they had, I believe was, that other people were in
> their personal business and those people were at
> work, taking sides together and creating a support
> for John Steven's against his wife and they were
> taking steps to influence many other people
> against Martha
, which worked to undermine the
> marriage and relationship John and Martha had as
> husband and wife.
> Whether John invited them into his & Martha's
> personal life or whether they invited themselves
> into his & Martha's personal life, I don't know
> but one thing is for sure, he went along with the
> sympathy and the support he was receiving for
> himself against his wife, from those who were
> closest to him, who were outside of his own
> This kind of activity I believe led to it later
> being said (in secret) that Martha was a Nephilim.
> Martha was the first person in the church to be
> condemned, as if she were a powerful demonic
> spirit and spiritual force set to destroy her
> husband in the privacy of their own home, as a man
> of God.
> After these first phone calls' we received in
> 1971, and about 9 years later, in 1980, Martha
> divorced John.
> And I heard many, many, years later that one of
> Steven's family members had said, that Martha
> was still confessing her love for John, long after
> John had died, even until Martha died.
Kboy replied, "Martha was probably tired of JRS and Marilyn 'making eyes' at one another, and all the time they were spending together ". I think most of us would agree.
Let's us not forget that JRS was a narcissist by definition. In addition to both of those things, JRS was an alcoholic.
Alcoholism is a disease that tears apart from family relationships. I spent a lot of time in ALANON learning about things that I was not prepared to live with when living with a person who had the disease, let alone intercede for the "apostle to usher in the kingdom" - Marth was not prepared for all that burden either.
Here are some points to consider why Martha, no doubt, nagged him. She probably went ballroom dancing instead of ALNON. I know that I did not know how to handle an alcoholic husband, either. Neither did the right-hand men of the apostle. ( Where was the discernment and revelation that JRS needed intervention?)
I think this article link below would have been helpful to us decades ago. It was all so twisted.
A number of us do know that JRS was an alcoholic for a fact.
In the early '80s, Brenda and John put together marriage classes. I had seen JRS drunk numerous times before Brenda stated, "we are all children of an alcoholic." ( meaning JRS) That meant we had healing to do.
ALANON Dilemma of the Alcoholic Marriage
'If he is drinking, her constant protective watchful? ness makes it easy for him to sidestep getting help. He has no incentive to get sober. She convinces herself that she’s doing her very best for him; she hasn’t learned, as she would in Al?Anon, that shielding him from the consequences of his drinking only prolongs its course.'.
When he’s drunk, her reaction is to reproach him for his behavior, and that’s the very worst time to attempt to communicate with him. In fact, it can’t be done without triggering a family war.
Until she learns what is wrong with her attitude and how to change herself so he will be forced to face his responsibilities, the situation isn’t likely to improve...'
None of us, including Martha, knew how to communicate with JRS (or anyone who puts booze before those who love and trust him) about the consequences of his behaviors.
We were all co-dependent*. But, that does not mean we were to blame. We are however responsible for our reactions. I'm only encouraging us to get educated on alcoholism to help us re-think the typical responses we had when those "phone calls came" or the claim that Martha was a Neph and how communicating with an alcoholic plays out.
*I hate the word co-dependent.
When "my alcoholic" finally went to AA once only because the state forced him to go. He came home from that meeting to smugly inform me, " I learned that I have a disease. You are co-dependent and that makes you sicker than I am." ( That is so twisted - not talking self-responsibility. JRS did not take responsibility either, do you think?)
I shared this in hopes that no one feels any self-condemnation over being co-dependent or alcoholic, but to get some appropriate therapy from the aftermath of what we survived.
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 01/27/2020 06:07AM by NancyB.