Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Date: June 20, 2020 03:28AM
Posts by Larry, Paleface, FCSLC, Reep and Changed (2013-2017):
Posted by: larry bobo
Date: July 28, 2013 12:05PM
Although John denied any involvement with the Latter Rain movement, I know from a family member that many reel to reel tapes were removed from the family home after Martha's death - the assumption by all was that they had once belonged to John. Some of the familiar doctrines belonging to the Latter Rain that later showed up in TLWF teaching are: an end time latter rain, the restoration of the church, restoration of the five fold ministries, pre-rapture spiritual second coming of Christ, new revelation and prophesy, manifestation of the sons of God, overcoming death before Christ's return, dominion now theology and spiritual warfare, mainstream Christianity referred to as old order or Babylon, personal ministry with personal words from God from the leadership, emphasis on the Feast of Tabernacles, the manchild doctrine, Joel's army and militancy, deeper levels of revelation, incarnation of Christ in a many-membered body, spiritual evolution to perfection, divine order, enforced unity, shepherding, and father /son mentoring. To assume all of this teaching came by revelation to John while waiting on the Lord in a chicken coup, instead of it coming from a bit of plagiarizing, is a bit of a stretch for me personally. I have mentioned these doctrines to some still within the fellowship and their response was that it is proof God is speaking the same word to different groups. I would tend to think it is proof some have chosen to stick their heads in the sand.
Posted by: paleface
Date: July 15, 2013 08:01PM
I'd like to repeat what was said before. If you leave the Living Word church and have a great life, they will say "see how easy it is to live when you leave the front line of God's army." And if you leave the church and have rough times, they will say "see what happened to him (or her) when they left the covering of divine order." See, they got you either way. It's a classic mind-control trick.
But Sierra said it well. If you leave, there will be NO LIGHTNING striking you down. In fact, a lot of us that have left have talked and traded stories. The vast majority of opinion is this: Life is great out here. It's a big, wide world and the people in it are for the most part, wonderful and loving. We do not regret leaving for one single second !!!!!!
Posted by: FCSLC
Date: March 23, 2015 12:45AM
All the preaching about submission: Submit, submit, submit. You have no rights. You’re in rebellion to God Almighty if you don’t give your spirit over to the Divine Order which God has restored in the Church of the Living Word. Thousands of hours of preaching, tapes, This Weeks, manuals and the like over and over and over. (Out of respect for Bowman, who I really liked, I like to think that he got out of the Walk on his own accord)
I would like to initiate a redistribution of energy patterns in my own brain according to an entirely new paradigm. A paradigm with a different Jesus. A Jesus who is not dictatorial. It’s the humans who want divine order, God seems to like secret peace in the middle of chaos (at least for the present time). It pisses me off when so called ministers of God are so arrogant that they intrude upon a person’s personal relationship with God, or more to the point, so arrogant that they intrude upon God’s personal relationship with each one of us. Show some respect for God; worry about your own relationship.
I loved many of the people in the Walk, but I think I would have been better off not knowing about the Walk. I know, it’s debatable. Reading the scriptures without “The twisting lies of strict obedience to church authority” always haunting my spirit may be something I will never experience again. The more this cult falls apart, the more garbage that besmirches its character ----- the better. It all helps to erase and diminish what they preach/preached.
It’s better than it used to be. I didn’t pick up a Bible for nearly thirty years after leaving the church, but now I read it occasionally to post on this forum.
Posted by: Reepicheep
Date: December 31, 2017 07:50PM
> There's so much "new thing" in the LW. I remember
> the 1970's were banner years for new things. We
> eagerly awaited each new JRS tape and the next new
> thing God was doing. Funny that all the new things
> JRS said he (the anointed one) received from God
> were the teaching of the entire Latter Rain
> movement. And then there were the Latter Rain
> tape reels found in JRS's home. Awkward!
I often wondered why there always had to be a "new" thing. What's wrong with tradition and the faith of our fathers? There seemed to be some kind of compulsive fascination with the newest thing "God" was doing, and it took the group to some crazy places. Weird diets, herbal supplements, two-stepping, Christmas trucking, violent intercession, and copying the worship of charismatic churches (yes, really!) to name but a few. And it always seemed that moving on required stomping on whatever had come before. Drinking, smoking, cussing a blue streak...all to show that we weren't related to those horrible "religious" people. It makes me tired just thing about it!
Posted by: changedagain
Date: January 08, 2018 08:01AM
> I recall hearing in LW services, teachings about
> the “unforgivable sin”, i.e. blaspheming the Holy
> Spirit. It was said that to deny that Christ was
> coming forth in his people was equivalent to
> blaspheming the Holy Spirit. The LW teaches that
> the 2nd coming of Christ will happen with Christ
> coming forth in his body first. Then later, the
> actual reappearing of Jesus. This doctrine
> empowers the leaders to claim they have the mind
> of Christ. It was said often (in back room
> meetings) that to have “Marilyn’s thinking” was to
> have the mind of Christ.
There was an immense amount of pressure during my 21 years involvement in the walk/TLWF (1976-1997) to regard the voice coming from leadership (John, Marilyn, Gary) as the voice of God. John himself often said from the pulpit that the word he spoke was the equivalent of scripture, and in fact, was elevated beyond scripture since it was supposedly revealing what God was doing now ('living word'). When the mantle supposedly fell to Gary/Marilyn, the same held true. To question them was to question God...committing the original sin in the garden ('hath God said?"). Heavy stuff. With that type of clout over the fellowship, the door to control people's lives (which is really what 'divine order' became") was unlimited. As people who spent many years in this cult have noted in this forum, over and over again, every aspect of a person's life was subject to surveillance by 'Christ in the flesh' (aka Big Brother in the Flesh). I think the purpose of the 'designated relationship' phase during G & M's reign...was to keep tabs on the thoughts and actions of members of the fellowship, so any resistance could be swiftly dealt with. Apologists who scoff at the idea of coercion, either are ignorant (perhaps because they lived on the periphery), or purposely dishonest...for whatever motivation. The place was, and likely still is, saturated with coercion. It's scary even thinking of breaking away from this cult when you are heavily involved...as evidenced by the stories of the many who have done so in this forum, and the difficulties they experienced. The bonds of oppression are powerful.
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